From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x332.google.com (mail-wm1-x332.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::332]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D49183CB37 for ; Wed, 3 May 2023 10:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x332.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-3f1950f5628so51324445e9.3 for ; Wed, 03 May 2023 07:45:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1683125150; x=1685717150; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=MB8CLr18XDJdNngEbZ98RSlJ5FCIWFiOD3DVtNfeAk4=; b=DsK+dQwxbZBBryMG3SHcZn2tYAEk73npGcwcWA6amibrnbM7t9Q2lAtHeWpxUNvHZ9 ZJvJ/fSpkR7+utFuc0OOSx2xL7cMCINVjhGkrkPqvjHYjtsuzD75fjlGokS6IoKr0q93 azeVHMOIYhU60e8Sny1yJ2yNlUwHaw9TGc5RgrFKW8x76/fwRWWqu95XWvrkZ2nRKzif 9AnntTDpGa/PHbF//C596Xdg3n1iasdXZ2zjmkMkAyHj7FbCBhr/b7JwLGNM6iJl2wzJ 5yf/C2T6eOicjN07BtHftvHQvw5GOIgBY8YNAK+w6kBU6QR9mqDls63YkEyJKVBDkHWL B1zQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1683125150; x=1685717150; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=MB8CLr18XDJdNngEbZ98RSlJ5FCIWFiOD3DVtNfeAk4=; b=fdNResoJTLh2G8C7ZLtiH+snoGT77iHaFyWCxbaYZv2nZRfjTNkxWLN6r99raLboVy TbK5m3h4DK6UTieVY70LayPMKFx5KDp/QQeob1F9pT3M7sWbdfCDZ6uW7XK2NSDBcuII B8rT1nPI3Bm3PVLTanHa/3mI7M//+MDQ8jxn9t//4pGvVd2Qc7hYGQen4UGIh+O8iPNa rxHnzbyqi9pdmUUbyKVXIeyNT5YUWmJeuEIhC7fQ/i5kQ0t+2gBuZaHXzY/2UC79UxSa 1aF8H6P6JJDabnCBiIlH1L9/IaqccCq/+HqeQgzaiBZOuZJwa1+kum5hU0JJTE0quCY8 I30g== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDw4TlK/oxMmOhW4o1sl+Un4Ilko13WFSggS8eE2OJvml9nosFHn kqt57va8Z/zCI6l2UH7xsVIL9sCHUqpGJe/wAaXSjt5Hh/c= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ6fCG9qfT5b0isdFJyVcfaO6Jokfh8cZRNkMhnByrsHXJ4yXT4lg3CLgW4cFVbluZQf1juBI4sGGy8anw+m6yg= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:750f:0:b0:3f1:661e:4686 with SMTP id o15-20020a1c750f000000b003f1661e4686mr15148991wmc.7.1683125149897; Wed, 03 May 2023 07:45:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Taht Date: Wed, 3 May 2023 07:45:38 -0700 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Starlink] hawaii ieee starlink talk slides X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 May 2023 14:45:52 -0000 We did not record this, which is too bad, as ulrich showed up and did a massive brain dump, at such high speed that I was unable to grok it all. Aside from me trying to take the time to describe the enormous discrepancy between the numbers speedtest.net reports vs the actually bufferbloated underlying behavior of starlink, there is nothing really new in my slides here: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1IjXjGUscmlxmqN5CsXb2Y-fbirzfpbpW8oS= snE5etMM/edit?usp=3Dsharing We also ended up talking about hawaii specific problems, where due to interconnectivity issues, sites less than 15 miles away from each other are experiencing 100+ms of latency. I suggested to the participants that they look into NTIA BEAD funding and improving the local IXP infrastructure to get that down to sanity. If eugene remembers anything else that stuck with the audience? PS The wikipedia page for starlink has grown enormously since I had last looked at it, btw. Well worth reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink In particular there is now far more documentation on the military uses of starlink derived technologies than I have seen in one place. --=20 Podcast: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7058793910227= 111937/ Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos