From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wr1-x436.google.com (mail-wr1-x436.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::436]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C03F3B29D; Sat, 24 Feb 2024 15:40:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-wr1-x436.google.com with SMTP id ffacd0b85a97d-33d153254b7so1416607f8f.0; Sat, 24 Feb 2024 12:40:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1708807230; x=1709412030; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=1qWshxxIVFkTeTbZRLcJcUNxSaeuDJuqxRQYw2032ew=; b=nfCzRkZYpNzWVaREls+vQTZYfo9PYuz97NYClkhjCjKXafP65njl9/7YkrLTnssVMA oiuyTtfIx2iv9E9yuzJBX7pY6pZ+0K1QLRFY2BdnmJYGA28S94o+qg8uN9F/OMBv/WEO TgR6xdQuJqzw3LmQlnwXVrHD/BBFBI2WB4LRelpZo99ouHD46VzRWYKhUkLs4FSqNd0o fd6ke6Q6qRTF7nn9hh09TwbyrSUUekp+5IbR6ewLu5jB2JmL8PP0m6TnRAecR5q2J+oY My4kJodVEsMINBd2STnwyYV6VGtWMAXyX6/nIRF/dXkTiN4f0slSfikZHMgxYGJRzM2d 8Cgg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1708807230; x=1709412030; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=1qWshxxIVFkTeTbZRLcJcUNxSaeuDJuqxRQYw2032ew=; b=A4fQCHlGjNhedm+KPbvmne5CpjwdI4BjxHW4tDrCQwqO0eiCKwTQS9RFRHoeH9+NqO oBPOPkkfbYhoKeKNYwt/I1yHp9JtFypa2k/bMY086gGu4qmyRqPqPpCeaCYNHdVr3woq eChyxyb59zNRWEhfcSZJI15JftPoAPKdlGqpYXQujA5GonJ9+A3Pd70hnCqghZBLv8bN M8Vi4xgKGldusHKberq/Is8wvknYTwL9suyvISs+3uDcRemRvSaTsezIpHUnW7G3Dbg2 05ua/UtBKVQXzG5qKbhmXQ2wgyEEW0IGB69NhDOrFoLYNNQs5Y8oxDArjy64fXgrrOWp hvPg== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCXHpUnU/LTKeGJdhIvuZzURd4hKFhQeAHpGztD09NTMxI4QWQJVwOE6Cz4qRYHj6cJwR9RJFXx22ADjcZOgAB9c4KsPwT21VSsR/y+rqosNkRAPARvFhEIaNPTDKy2MZ8bNu0/YaFFv7z9QGlOC X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyVwWX85zfFzey3u3/ZIVUQUvxJ8Lsk6asdciFIJw/3bbfwDfnG 7yyHB+J0/2aJYGABeYIivTUtGjY8mgPSyCeY4TFJvAi5Nhl13f9EA2lOZ/gtekz91t1eBW6DfSA OPXYJZiYfX6jepDrjtXcAFlN3lkbgAG4Cjhk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IG6yU3Xoq9ksOUQXRK7nhabk3z7wdO7CSw+BBjDg0c/jSlE5Y8evrpeQ7+LUD4yXmKLVz76qQizEiJ3gLCzDqM= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6000:1144:b0:33d:497c:14d2 with SMTP id d4-20020a056000114400b0033d497c14d2mr2340265wrx.30.1708807229669; Sat, 24 Feb 2024 12:40:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Taht Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2024 15:40:17 -0500 Message-ID: To: bloat , =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspect?= =?UTF-8?Q?s_heard_this_time=21?= , Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Starlink] some bufferbloat history ruminations X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2024 20:40:31 -0000 I totally did not remember writing this piece about the bufferbloat projects' history (vs a vs mikrotik the then pending mikrotik deployment) before now. https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=3D181289 I have had several people encourage me to write a book, but I fear only 300 people would read it. How amazingly hard it has been to merely get people to, at the very least, use a buffer size suitable for the bandwidth, not even any of our fancy-schmancy algorithms - and the enormous spread of the internet into all of our lives. Today=C2=B4s disappointment was that ubnt=C2=B4s new product had a 10 year = old version of fq_codel in it. https://twitter.com/underlinux/status/1761467036536848744 14 years I=C2=B4ve been at this now. I=C2=B4m going drinking. Have a great friday, everyone. --=20 https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/2024_predictions/ Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos