From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x332.google.com (mail-wm1-x332.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::332]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 785623B2A4 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2023 20:04:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-wm1-x332.google.com with SMTP id j19-20020a05600c1c1300b003e9b564fae9so8454745wms.2 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2023 17:04:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=8pxjnId03Afsc1tIuIYoqLiHD6anMPfSEQatadnunkA=; b=B3j9HBlRZs1xkesU9675frEZn0uBRwgEfTrslkSc9BWao/oW6Ze/OcNlyPxwTPOjU8 A6iZ0NjnClXqwbrDH/EsCN3NI6PISNmazDn1hhC0av6VfPkksNoSB2I/I1Wa9UeHKiiT GmwcALaLsA6JVI7aUm0VzmEgC2I9Kt+vJHGRzY99x92Fg81+T9XYURopSV1/AqZ6+1Sx MnadLnSO6w6vHYv4YurajD0gMI6qhajDuxAwApAPJMRQv2wwUR5vNFiM/lfCKz4V4TAA 7jU3JuheNrq0NtntR1EuoRBNkV4MnCe/K0Fg2esqZdrF8N3aGfri8g6rwpqqgG5rNnjj wE1w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=8pxjnId03Afsc1tIuIYoqLiHD6anMPfSEQatadnunkA=; b=vZAisU/jvH7MpK60ecvCUx/2J8YbT0Jyxf3oftMfueubiBRF0SSQs98s20RiOmYURU +uhb2ySlg7vQa78BK1qBw5Fqqmzhqgcn09eV+3x2RRctmp2g4XR9s2KndMKNfWdPunwG UDsmZNCsq7gvWenlqfvXEO2lGsquyisVvv18cwXxlVpNcbM0Ru67kq39cKOUk4qHJ8tj wIDzIFWScztzW7cnLAuBf9mTqXM+UzVeQNRQxfSrQmhHXRPMq2SG6C+9EI7UWh2lQCeA LLRURttAgKpjZN8VN+/t0da48uV+wTlmiJaP0uufZgv+fJq71RbSjLnvMxNGkc3kbZVt DFPQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKU1wCj4graZTQQQhexfsC5AU0LGqGYkwV7i3BIAP0i9L10wjt3W hlwR6MZ3/Qe29Gg7c/ohZb62yFK2DrFC3zVCgAsKhA2YD+Q= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set9CcWJ5TQJS3DQe4vNKONPWi/oNW6tvFByQFIGxVmxjxgFsznuK45glyjmMBdjNCvwTaj/Lg4NLhBYAigL0dDk= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:4fc1:b0:3df:97b0:baba with SMTP id o1-20020a05600c4fc100b003df97b0babamr279431wmq.6.1677546277845; Mon, 27 Feb 2023 17:04:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Taht Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2023 17:04:26 -0800 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Starlink] 4 years ago I wrote this X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2023 01:04:39 -0000 https://www.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/brn6gg/will_starlink_have_buffer= bloat/ I am glad that the scheduler patent came out, as my original conclusion that "cake on the dishy" still holds, I think, and even at their current 35+ms RTTs, gamers could have a pretty solid gaming experience, especially if they can cut that pesky 40ms handover switch out. But I was wrong on several points, and I am still thinking about it. Mark Handley hasn't said much in public, since. I figure he went under NDA. --=20 A pithy note on VOQs vs SQM: https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/juniper/ Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC