From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x334.google.com (mail-wm1-x334.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::334]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B71F3B29D for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x334.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-4196c62bb4eso47080125e9.2 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2024 16:06:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1714518375; x=1715123175; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=pECB29yuQj0XbORot3M7vqD3rzo4eUzcgFzP7AXhmf8=; b=RrGe4NmOID3L+xD2zCwUtArsU4jfH2GQGpueARCHY1Kp1/qxDL3r3Jca8G0I0tC79n iIG8TXINaue6rQ2lwo0+HNcX2cnlyiGEOAJncwdHRlvVLiyUWjAupC4IzWB6voioLeK3 n61fMBh9jqs3nfhEtghrRShZnWsE03JzwJbZPSvKgsOTxzrf5LygVO/aVWUNvxHhskrh c/37uOyWONQPYTJ7KO+LEg0URdvG1Mu/Wd6IUVNl2SB3Q5yWYA5rqSRWXQPLKxo57emN Av5C/8zYfoqkk6QSdaXnhyalMeGLXRzPtG+sm/dBebhiPU7EEvoC/It5zhcxXaAWy1mt kxHw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1714518375; x=1715123175; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=pECB29yuQj0XbORot3M7vqD3rzo4eUzcgFzP7AXhmf8=; b=wVCbA0vQaA8cEPTK6sMTC6IjjsneytqqU8qP5uj79usr6V3PvdkH/3ClscLMIBq5Fb 4qYvCjb3evG5R0YQLklFF1jXef7n5hE/k2Rzzyu+SvG10Yg7iTWqj9JjQ4mKZxwvCP7g kEm8vZiZvmzzzfzHvH4CuD8a3Gph7U6YnJFu+w0T1j3M7z26MeflG0mmUp3Brl+BeZp9 JOauT88HfZE4nv1PvMwchwRNQQSA4woqdWGcgLoPrS7lvEL16SPwu6w5eLUO24aBkBsf e8wdxnwU9Y3fElSKasoibeDKRMPYaeaCz9tIH6N/TCRWxOew86vgWCip9K5k7dAxg+RG YUzA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yytr129eGwklMb/q9AZNTyVuXSNP5rRutgQvlQkHenxXCytfQpe bVN4Bjjy5nBbgJ3t0y4Lmmz8cSf00DWJcva+CDeyqNqnybIqNsiz1gAvf0t9d9Li8B6dc+Iw9a9 fiYexWGPoG5dz1b2ovdjlED1lZ5k= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGfwuHTcPQL6kYzhO7plKsktvsqydE1/aFSShVXKoco7Llq/34FsYqrUcdFusV3aI0s51l/TGq0YFsjBeu1dII= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:4693:b0:41a:9c33:9c25 with SMTP id p19-20020a05600c469300b0041a9c339c25mr553573wmo.13.1714518375571; Tue, 30 Apr 2024 16:06:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2024 16:06:04 -0700 Message-ID: To: Rich Brown Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000bcab440617586a0b" Subject: Re: [Starlink] =?utf-8?q?It=E2=80=99s_the_Latency=2C_FCC?= X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2024 23:06:17 -0000 --000000000000bcab440617586a0b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Apr 30, 2024, 3:42=E2=80=AFPM Rich Brown = wrote: > > On Apr 30, 2024, at 6:10 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > > I think that the starlink results will create competitive pressure on the > landline ISPs (and starlink will continue their rapid growth, being that > they drop their next hop direct into multiple cdns). > > > Of course, it's important to remember that Starlink "cheated" - they are > using science! (Even if we did have to browbeat them to pay attention...) > > That=C2=B4s why I sank 3 years into this project, and this list, working = for > free, and I hope it pays off with better internet for everyone. > > > Thanks, Dave! > And all I asked Elon for was a new motor and batteries for my boat. And a Christmas card.... https://youtu.be/c9gLo6Xrwgw?si=3DRyLWEtIWISEFX1kw I don't think a tesla semi engine is needed to push 36 tons through the water or not, but I do hope to get some help also on the design and install thrown in. --000000000000bcab440617586a0b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Apr 30, 2024, 3:42=E2=80=AFPM Rich Brown <<= a href=3D"mailto:richb.hanover@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferr= er">richb.hanover@gmail.com> wrote:

On Apr 30, 2024, at 6:10 PM, Dave Tah= t <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:

I think that the starlink re= sults will create competitive pressure on the landline ISPs (and starlink w= ill continue their rapid growth, being that they drop their next hop direct= into multiple cdns).=C2=A0

Of cour= se, it's important to remember that Starlink "cheated" - they= are using science! (Even if we did have to browbeat them to pay attention.= ..)

That=C2= =B4s why I sank 3 years into this project, and this list, working for free,= and I hope it pays off with better internet for everyone.

Thanks, Dave!

And all I asked Elon= for was a new motor and batteries for my boat. And a Christmas card....


I d= on't think a tesla semi engine is needed to push 36 tons through the wa= ter or not, but I do hope to get some help also on the design and install t= hrown in.




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