From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pg1-x52b.google.com (mail-pg1-x52b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::52b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F9E73B29D for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2023 17:47:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-pg1-x52b.google.com with SMTP id 41be03b00d2f7-5b8c39a2dceso176780a12.2 for ; Wed, 08 Nov 2023 14:47:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1699483660; x=1700088460; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=mNkl1/9h6KsJ7Koa3B2fwcliEo5EbOgjmGxAa6E0N/k=; b=fT/SabiDnraZ3kYKXT8fDnhGrTOO1lqZAWoKzmwYO5ZNGcHg06wFdOUH6S3FZPKxY5 povCettw+Yuo0F+91dergeSI/BKEaJhtTG/KZatQsMmvLVEIWYirrn3Yf3gXVMzqEb2t Z47wSFvDC9wTqillEDb3W/0CjEpz+WsbgPCApo+yTowoleSGt7n94plF30FJmCVXWMig eWe/sx/h1CkoemXwIb5OTaCKiK+xgJ9RdqAaaOYly3u+ddUBULuCUZVbzvRdM8HFBcCV 1v6bJp0FAKfmfOaFNS832N8+d+eNsdl+CZaQLoMU+ua4mYuBIctumuH7oUSfuLmlUPSj vZ9w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1699483660; x=1700088460; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=mNkl1/9h6KsJ7Koa3B2fwcliEo5EbOgjmGxAa6E0N/k=; b=GZPLdL7MvYeQhA9GZekdzkSe4UwdNV3XRaP42Ivsel1uztNLy3FdXLcCRcyUanMxvT sUuDTi9skagxNRnv9NwDgaolpXSVb1VU1ZWg/wlcrIvNZ0h0HL//oXz4ocyBQ5ZmHGr8 3/cGrMqgDfcdKsS6NJKdGHln7OuCa/zChRHBYrUui5zc3VbcR/riS2xkZU6n+eaKdVpf v+AdvfOlzLnvAXtMCcodP0oxbMpfHtL1j6IsENvGK/nIHpK56TuIomLrF3LSAEyw7IDg sgB8Up3weP0RolQBEsYSNq+RWqfjEyM/hvbpH2LRh2ZQn+tvj/sXt6NbP9IFIS5uxegQ BvYg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxNRx3cY95e3VqX7wVO99KtIYL9ggEwykqPSZ3PUDPoNT2lxNt0 Bg2wJtGaExh+4H6ouA76U7nVG5pKDIaCET1didKgLyRi X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGauirt2Bk24VAeYbGec3R8B5zm0DVnIX0WoBUjR3f1okWTGKog7j+XjNa8XiUG1uvsnK0y9NpRgQxiv5aqOic= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:3eca:b0:27c:fa10:fc82 with SMTP id rm10-20020a17090b3eca00b0027cfa10fc82mr3616924pjb.28.1699483660066; Wed, 08 Nov 2023 14:47:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2023 17:47:27 -0500 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Starlink] Fwd: 25 years of embedded linux based wifi and wireless routers X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2023 22:47:41 -0000 ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Dave Taht Date: Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 5:44=E2=80=AFPM Subject: 25 years of embedded linux based wifi and wireless routers To: Network Neutrality is back! Let=C2=B4s make the technical aspects heard this time! , Greg Retkowski I have been reflecting on the era we had spent inventing the first embedded Linux wifi routers, back in 1998. https://the-edge.blogspot.com/2010/10/who-invented-embedded-linux-based.htm= l I am building slowly to try to explain why software is not simple and that it is vastly easier to cut down from a well tested base than build up from scratch, which was a key insight we gained from that project. Also, working with a MMU and other memory protections, is fiercely desirable, a lesson I painfully relearned a few years later with a ucLinux based IP PBX... I also need to straighten out the historical record some, as so many have contacted me over the years with their personal stories, and in particular a fellah by the name of Elmer Joandi (based in Europe) was arguably the first to make the concept work, beating us by at least 6 months. Dozens of others hit the mark within weeks of each other. Stuart Chesire has shared his stories privately with me about Apple's AirPort adventures (and creation myths) that I guess he cannot tell before he retires. :( (between us we won the above patent case but for all I know there was more - the court records are sealed) I am happy our teams have fixed at least some of the problems introduced by wifi4 and wifi5[1] and wish they were deploying faster - especially into the cafes that I love to work out of so much - as well as I wish we could tidy up more than a few left over problems from the make-wifi-fast effort... But I hope wifi7 and later are going to be someone else's problem. ... I still remember vividly, sitting on my rooftop, that December, 1998, in the rain, wondering where the wifi technology would go. [1] https://lwn.net/Articles/705884/ -- Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.htm= l Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos --=20 Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.htm= l Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos