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From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
To: Rpm <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	 Measurement Analysis and Tools Working Group <mat-wg@ripe.net>,
	IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org>, tsvwg IETF list <tsvwg@ietf.org>,
	 discuss <discuss@measurementlab.net>,
	 Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Starlink] misery metrics & consequences
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2022 16:50:47 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA93jw5bTkXUmqWN8kfZyeWm0xEzW9ZbqmPYS1=Ucez0oTpY-Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA93jw4w27a1EO_QQG7NNkih+C3QQde5=_7OqGeS9xy9nB6wkg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm sorry everyone,  I didn't realize you had to click through stuff
to get to this talk.

It's also on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1jasTyGLr8


On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 2:04 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> One of the best talks I've ever seen on how to measure customer
> satisfaction properly just went up after the P99 Conference.
>
> It's called Misery Metrics.
>
> After going through a deep dive as to why and how we think and act on
> percentiles, bins, and other statistical methods as to how we use the
> web and internet are *so wrong* (well worth watching and thinking
> about if you are relying on or creating network metrics today), it
> then points to the real metrics that matter to users and the ultimate
> success of an internet business: Timeouts, retries, misses, failed
> queries, angry phone calls, abandoned shopping carts and loss of
> engagement.
>
> https://www.p99conf.io/session/misery-metrics-consequences/
>
> The ending advice was - don't aim to make a specific percentile
> acceptable, aim for an acceptable % of misery.
>
> I enjoyed the p99 conference more than any conference I've attended in years.
>
> --
> This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work:
> https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-6981366665607352320-FXtz
> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC



-- 
This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work:
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-6981366665607352320-FXtz
Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC

  reply	other threads:[~2022-10-21 23:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-21 21:04 Dave Taht
2022-10-21 23:50 ` Dave Taht [this message]
2022-10-25  6:15   ` [Starlink] [Rpm] " Taraldsen Erik
2022-10-22 20:18 ` [Starlink] [M-Lab-Discuss] " rjmcmahon
2022-10-22 21:00 ` [Starlink] " Dave Collier-Brown
2022-10-22 22:18   ` Dave Taht
2022-10-23  0:17 ` [Starlink] [M-Lab-Discuss] " Glenn Fishbine
2022-10-23 11:57   ` [Starlink] [Rpm] " Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-23 12:17     ` Dave Collier-Brown
2022-10-23 12:26       ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-23 13:11         ` Dave Collier-Brown
2022-10-23 13:52           ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-23 14:00             ` Dave Collier-Brown
2022-10-23 14:08               ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-23 14:08             ` Dave Collier-Brown
2022-10-23 15:01               ` tom
2022-10-24 20:08     ` Christoph Paasch
2022-10-24 20:57       ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-24 23:44         ` Christoph Paasch
2022-10-25  0:08           ` rjmcmahon
2022-10-25  0:12             ` rjmcmahon
2022-10-25  2:28           ` [Starlink] [tsvwg] " Neal Cardwell
2022-10-25 15:17             ` [Starlink] [Rpm] [tsvwg] " rjmcmahon
2022-10-31  8:59             ` [Starlink] [ippm] [tsvwg] [Rpm] " Ruediger.Geib
2022-10-25 15:50     ` [Starlink] [ippm] " J Ignacio Alvarez-Hamelin
2022-10-26  8:14       ` [Starlink] [mat-wg] " Dave Taht
2022-10-25 16:07     ` [Starlink] " J Ignacio Alvarez-Hamelin
2022-10-25 17:02       ` [Starlink] [Rpm] [ippm] " rjmcmahon
2022-10-25 20:17         ` J Ignacio Alvarez-Hamelin
2022-10-24 17:37   ` [Starlink] " Dave Collier-Brown

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