From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wr1-x434.google.com (mail-wr1-x434.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::434]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7D173CB37 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2022 20:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wr1-x434.google.com with SMTP id az27so16237996wrb.6 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2022 17:31:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc; bh=k69Ez2PtIrk8XsA1uWA1rBPqZV+16Lhmwbh5KVBp1tM=; b=kDIXXPAwZEnJOJ2qpQYiFfz0U3VlGQq+DiAlYtgK1urwmAxBfOQhktpvr7fSZJG1LG QrVqfWHc/fAZlHJ9qfvY58aJrRQmAvRrhcKoxtxJLDxQwUJO1pAVQbiOgkfz6plRgzVy /WMYLGr7wXvTF5OXsQzsdoaVw5sDY2nPm237XRhjpfvCUhCz7AlUKiR6Sw0pqvhuBGGD 2zZKfPZb3rWuaboQ54LB5plUM3S2FVG8rxPm1CA+yndktC3dAYjrxM00NLyly+3o1hjA 9Z6YIVCnEnsVLXI5Ba1gfzgkFBUTxS5tm54qN7x4P2tnhTiTgPClVvc+KhRVsBxmV8E6 bbAA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc; bh=k69Ez2PtIrk8XsA1uWA1rBPqZV+16Lhmwbh5KVBp1tM=; b=JF4/eJlDZtjpYFtrZAgbNMrBJsGvm3Al9J+2VTLESHWsEovF6xsVYiypq7KsOKOLVq dF+OU/TWVEOjJK2aaI5/CbhP8X5wBKeXTZznc4JUkWYxivQLPhZ65xMsY0rBXgegcB1N 7xkZOwCVDTKwr0++sErwGYeEZHK1vVjA+Sv9HN2S6Mh/LYhrtoEPbxw2pj5CfpalLpfe 6KkdW09fV5rME6tv4Y6SrCc9SmgEfOneiP2TEzCJMEmSAKbYjKvHadqWJ5ZJVnu9uMQf Ors+NNJvwBDXXAUBk0uBUFq7wVRuG8uc41eVEyqQLD4T7MtddscDAYIvNq2HR7ChE1Qz B5vw== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo1CvutRgu6MqLXHbszVaVBEmTCvn85FhuOAxX18le0GUDdX56bZ TjKlcoyVWxrFFd8Q64SA+aUiV3wV9lJsym33Y2/Wdhp2 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR4uLgxWpQXJMLRQohf8jSJk4lg/fy7Mv+EkEqyXBdVuKYM2i/CMJ0sN6UWn+35dOTIvABwTvsyjQ6jyp90dyrE= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:5942:0:b0:225:7425:4e39 with SMTP id e2-20020a5d5942000000b0022574254e39mr10023256wri.566.1661905917779; Tue, 30 Aug 2022 17:31:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1661878433.14064713@apps.rackspace.com> <6p5n9262-3745-pq31-5636-1rnon987o255@ynat.uz> <20220830220710.GA2653@sunf10.rd.bbc.co.uk> <356psp-6n4s-5677-2qs9-1r71r492no@ynat.uz> <20220830223712.GA2921@sunf10.rd.bbc.co.uk> <1661902136.38824194@apps.rackspace.com> In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 17:31:45 -0700 Message-ID: To: David Lang Cc: "David P. Reed" , Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "beam spread" X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 00:31:59 -0000 My central thesis has long been that 25/5 mbit service - debloated - was more than good enough for your typical family of 4, no matter the country, WFH, or not.