From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wr1-x434.google.com (mail-wr1-x434.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::434]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B7AB3B29E for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2022 16:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wr1-x434.google.com with SMTP id x18so11953761wrm.7 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2022 13:28:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=5AGYqnDpXHbN4VQfUqjXiG+H6NO1g9Yuk5dhzvcHKJk=; b=WBOyYhuSBoKN0RlQJzS3ikvSgk1BhWHEvQkAt9TcW2z+EqLWyc/E46f3q2xctpRIzR i2GwWSVhc0gPjGX7iRDULx+Q90WUNn8rgXvT9J0EQA5ipI7CqVAliATvFKiRLgIT6EzH Pi3DzUdYkI1BRBBuXrCqDo1N6Y4KAwB3Mg7DXwphq5UlhYvjom8Zqfh6UM386kUa5vG3 tj5TZnNKq45Io1MVpjUPB0m8Gvg58Yf9YEDXoryicjAyYHywA67lcs3Yq3GocTgquIpc Y2eVTrJCTKb80yeWoPEbG/HZUhDGEghHccK94O9Za1rr+5naATap8kKIAi2W0F/b2Rzk DbCQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=5AGYqnDpXHbN4VQfUqjXiG+H6NO1g9Yuk5dhzvcHKJk=; b=33o4SmJKX4VJcVTYIcMn8uKRDFc3qY2z3A0vS0DXCw3VF6M604pzlE918E6BG+yckf iUtE/LKHqBbqVvf13xaPXrWqfUD2wmVfeGDBGG9EfHpFCqfTDM5sF/GRoQcahvOFFzQj Vy9hD1sUy8HOehA8UhzgCfL4HAMUsq9q4XkUmFHYlCSgRTxdENq/TodouHxdi62Wmb4F 4MgmeHTXiHWIQYxm/R2WmQbUrdy2LtZil0RgKbMxy0dn0HBwssdj6QLFSnEYt1XSjRgz b/fB2l2HS1g3VAzwnb9ocVzwGqLEnQNLaFpsvUX2wDH2vK/xxv/kzMkftZQUTDSUtMOj 6gmQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf1Rmz19TAAuWWM78lytPP9b0bw5fPoatQ1AVMBENexwq3mEb3WY 7xCZO0vz59JjDeqGmJthVMNEklWXbcEeXE2GNhM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM4vA6Te8//bvZzIfZ1Sz98+35HnrmoxjiH7Lt3rCQHHeyR3zaOjPzpyao6DGPMIYHkzqSUfqLxsti8tBx1qnmQ= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6000:18ab:b0:22a:3b4d:3a53 with SMTP id b11-20020a05600018ab00b0022a3b4d3a53mr14918760wri.482.1664224109435; Mon, 26 Sep 2022 13:28:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <060F7695-D48E-413C-9501-54ECC651ABEB@cable.comcast.com> <07C46DD5-7359-410E-8820-82B319944618@alum.mit.edu> <39E525B8-D356-4F76-82FF-F1F0B3183908@ieee.org> In-Reply-To: <39E525B8-D356-4F76-82FF-F1F0B3183908@ieee.org> From: Dave Taht Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2022 13:28:16 -0700 Message-ID: To: Eugene Y Chang Cc: Bruce Perens , Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [Starlink] It's still the starlink latency... X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2022 20:28:30 -0000 I appreciate you grabbing this bull by the horns bruce! However, it is extremely feasible that for their business class, military, and/or ukraine based services they's actually implemented at least some of the improvements we've been recommending to them for 3 years now. It would be smart if they had and weren't talking about it! Much like how (at last I heard) verizon puts the at home users in the lowest 5g service class, if starlink was trying to shed the first bout of residential users and retain those that don't care at a high price with less service, they could not be more effective at that by their baseline services degrading.