From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ed1-x536.google.com (mail-ed1-x536.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::536]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69ECC3B29D for ; Thu, 5 May 2022 23:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ed1-x536.google.com with SMTP id b24so7243893edu.10 for ; Thu, 05 May 2022 20:12:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7MS3w/CZJVf5aBdQdvcBRnuPmVGfR8HHSTw0n7pd3nw=; b=L8j/1qIlMaHjNVlIUFhCSzfyLGEJ46VmEZFUOr0IXTAWgWC5CYcuFFMtyGAuZHUTg+ qDQNiNyvlvKnTPBRlhLFXngXsn6xj7o2OuxAauhpZ24IBiwVppRFb7rp3ubyawQj0KxC jrTs0i3ubyTzjtDiyUnaRBd+o9aLeZ0oh8aq0wT1i28jKAyVxS6tOaJW/+6ZMgym+apm DpkTrbcpB/NxyyH2s2TggA8JnGxF9Yrgt/qNqDjrHxHjkuqHkHgaSxcezDkHdXRRSPN1 QHnzhVoUes1JbUlLn+yFeoC66OYreD42CCOzm5kP2swh3nyKUXclk4XidKSduFpQXpri MTRw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7MS3w/CZJVf5aBdQdvcBRnuPmVGfR8HHSTw0n7pd3nw=; b=Ge9nXyKpYaASGQh26m6+0tfvBCRZIRm5mDz4CumLWFpdfRv2M74XAWE/vi/8bgu4xQ XtOs5If1vKuZO40NKuoxdgfbGSswmBslm//1ahk/8LPirhp3NfdFzBM05naSHpUYiZvm 2Pjh+bRPeIjO8FQNqu2z2EOJegLGBzwMQ34EJQ2YnBzAH2J+HrRwToq0uO3R4CeOhnwA hk/FRiLJUXc8vMeLZrF/S9zOzWYf97ouXrhMemlpXqN0IHHUzG2ObD2ShUJsUkw+68OE VSc1SneUU+pjtZIegDBNamtLE+g1LtDqO2nUQjk4CwVrgWXXLzbQYqjbhFjaB4H4zLl/ MTGg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532HzW0u0CaevyeweKNU0ZxpOzKnG76Oy7G7xJbCG8G3Gr+ZUIlA 7n0OuWQJ/fL48kLbChpRd0XN0wsvN0r3e1AGXak= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy3kEUfyiztNLpUBd+AWfsrYLa/Zt65qalEhm66CIUgwbUZnhPEw6bCT0GZT+FS+vEQKQS5tZIh0dLHpqGwRp4= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:cac5:0:b0:41c:c1fb:f5cc with SMTP id l5-20020aa7cac5000000b0041cc1fbf5ccmr1309858edt.219.1651806725309; Thu, 05 May 2022 20:12:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <77f03647-c1af-00c3-21b6-19fc62a81e44@auckland.ac.nz> <6p4934rq-30ns-9486-5srs-o45r7rornor9@ynat.uz> <0cacac1a-993f-48dd-b213-4b10b5ac1428@Spark> In-Reply-To: <0cacac1a-993f-48dd-b213-4b10b5ac1428@Spark> From: Dave Taht Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 20:11:52 -0700 Message-ID: To: Mike Puchol Cc: David Lang , Ulrich Speidel , Larry Press , "starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Starlink] Portability Now Available (fwd) X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 May 2022 03:12:06 -0000 What are you using to drive the pop latency test? (i was using irtt client -i3ms -d1h fremont.starlink.taht.net) Is it a test of pure idle latency or do the spikes at (for example) t+12m42s represent simultaneous traffic? Is the peak of the graph there the actual peak, or not autoscaling to the actual peak? On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 7:42 PM Mike Puchol wrote: > > I did a one hour drive test combined with a data logger (calling it LeoBo= x for now), posted it compressed into 15=E2=80=99 > > https://youtu.be/UExU-_VHWjA > > Best, > > Mike > On May 6, 2022, 03:46 +0400, Larry Press , wrote: > > > In a week or two I'm going to take my dish out and drive around for a f= ew hours > > Roaming in motion works -- see the updates at the end of this post: > https://circleid.com/posts/20220225-spacex-is-testing-starlink-roaming > But it's not yet officially supported. > > Elon Musk says it's working in Ukraine. > > Stationary roaming, portability, is now officially offered at extra cost = and with some constraints: > https://support.starlink.com/?topic=3D1426e78a-7384-0334-3fc0-ddf5a76d7af= e > > Larry > > ________________________________ > From: Starlink on behalf of Davi= d Lang > Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2022 2:21 AM > To: Ulrich Speidel > Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > Subject: Re: [Starlink] Portability Now Available (fwd) > > remember that starlink is getting coverage from many satellites as they c= ome > over, it's not like geostationary satellites that can aim specific antenn= as at > specific locations (i.e. 'spotbeams' are not a thing) > > > (just received the inverter I ordered, now to convert the plugs...) > > I expect the waitlist is a combination of two things. > > 1. the number of subscribers already in the area > 2. supply availability (I expect this is why Ukraine is a waitlist, they = have > supplied dishes to the government, but if you try to order one yourself, = you > would have to wait) > > David Lang > > On Thu, 5 May 2022, Ulrich Speidel wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 19:40:01 +1200 > > From: Ulrich Speidel > > To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > > Subject: Re: [Starlink] Portability Now Available (fwd) > > > > Cool. Very interesting! That's one pile of information all of a sudden.= They > > could do that more often IMHO. > > > > Nothing like official confirmation that the tropics are an almost > > Starlink-free zone, and that places reasonably away from the 53rd paral= lels > > are secondary service zones. They forgot their 50-odd terminals in Tong= a (I > > heard yesterday about someone in the northern islands who brought a dis= hy > > from overseas and found it didn't work... obviously believed the headli= nes... > > sigh). > > > > Also interesting that there seems to be, finally, some sort of disclosu= re on > > cell size. Someone will need to explain to me why there are waitlist ar= eas in > > the Auckland area surrounded by full service. The areas concerned are r= ural, > > which you'd think they'd want to service with priority over our > > well-connected CBD... Too many subscribers there already, or not enough= to > > warrant a spot beam? Similar soft spots near Sydney, holes in Foveaux S= trait, > > the Hauraki Gulf, southeast of Murray Bridge in South Australia, southe= rn > > Chile, ... What do I read into this? Two-fold: Where it's near 53 degre= es, > > they're probably oversubscribed or lack terminal supply, or both. Where= it's > > well away from 53 degrees, I'd guess they probably just lack satellite > > capacity full stop. > > > > Ukraine is waitlisted...? But wait - didn't Starlink just take over the > > Internet there? Interesting also that one of the waitlist / no service = areas > > in Germany is right where they had the floods & where Starlink got depl= oyed > > very publicly with (I understand) some success. Did the locals hang on = to the > > emergency dishys and does this now saturate the network there? And what= did > > the Greeks do to be all waitlisted? > > > > So what happens if you roam from a place with availability into a place= with > > "waitlist" status? Anyone with a dishy up for a road trip with a story = to > > tell? > > > > $25/month sounds steep but is probably modest in comparison to the roam= ing > > charges that some cellular providers charge. > > > > On 5/05/2022 7:00 pm, David Lang wrote: > >> received this Wednesday evening. > >> Makes sense, > >> > >> David Lang > >> > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> Portability Now Available > >> > >> Starlink is excited to announce Portability as an add-on feature for a= ll > >> Starlink customers. Portability enables customers to temporarily move = their > >> Starlink to new locations and receive high-speed internet anywhere whe= re > >> Starlink provides active coverage within the same continent. To see ac= tive > >> coverage areas, please view the Starlink Availability Map ( > >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.starlink.com/map__;!!P7nkOOY!sj= 8OeR4-Jc81zUlPLyHWjevs2T7WuFV5ewjaeOYg3m3H3_muO_XNGIDy3-WKuyifj4KWtvvwT-EHP= Q$ ). > >> > >> You can enable Portability for $25/month on your account page ( > >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://starlink.com/account__;!!P7nkOOY!s= j8OeR4-Jc81zUlPLyHWjevs2T7WuFV5ewjaeOYg3m3H3_muO_XNGIDy3-WKuyifj4KWtvus-BPS= 0Q$ ). 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