From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x330.google.com (mail-wm1-x330.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::330]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A19163B2A4; Wed, 17 Aug 2022 22:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x330.google.com with SMTP id p12-20020a7bcc8c000000b003a5360f218fso1914900wma.3; Wed, 17 Aug 2022 19:53:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:from:to:cc; bh=phyJlNE2RNmY1iUOfzoADqTcYxtxtzbfdBo53rmDTDg=; b=hfN4hrwRkRwU/I4ALzZOHcbF+wkwoTGiRGkzYhOM3M0HpaGBiY6I49tD578WCuZ+9n 5Z5YeI+vfSsl6Xq6zJ4OSFIyTCPlznff8m88y4oPdSOFIA7o/2EYXIHyXx7zR3LVO+Vp BvQvOL5eRupHBfS/c4HRRbkpxocnNNesxG1ybwHbPy2YxZyXi5UK1VRhW1Vkrx+UU7bS tiqb4abxTUIRo8+EzmFzou7CeV+lpV+6qK7fwQi56ZxrrBICT8IWUmGRmv4QAJdVnPY1 ZWVOfyPR6nbiY3aA8mkiic7DHkhL2Cr+04fYEHGZM16zEUXj4YIUva2i62z8lWn05lNp sEgA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc; bh=phyJlNE2RNmY1iUOfzoADqTcYxtxtzbfdBo53rmDTDg=; b=wdUbSJaY7YZmE85pRDUWpSfuq1nMkKTE6oTQzij+XFdI2VWqD0CalTLvpi1HdsW1Lc EQ8u+eOZpIx5bVkpHq4PR/W3HDvsXtZzbfJTcSjOgu1kcWaoz1rnK7NItHfcQ2JT12dk 2sLYhBgnVbvQWUBw2nAIlHMylmnkDi0KoUiSAt20gXRO1RM3i1bI8KUqTLu1dqL4n/p2 UnVU0xFoeiTtAiIX4czcJubV98g8Fv+MmqsvkWtUkbDMpB/ivGjeuYGl0OM6PsaLph4S 82vzciZHY4+jMx3dH3dxC2Lr65VAXWRd/1NSzE9Da3KGmYtOBSsPD7P4+C7Znn0pu8FN b+Yw== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo1pgE0VQ3gX+J7uHTFB9QUz8H+dx352FkeCgOp/uxmuDO/eAdWm SWv2bp5RjmfX7NPjI5cv7uYc9yX7tsz9T1R7O++FxQ/p/7g= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR7xvN3Hhx2CA4jGDr3VP8ONaHjYdZT7eK0F0cYg3JZzEOmc4rA/dzQLsHH09asaF7EHoy9xfAPmiqPPBSZvrUk= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:3b9f:b0:3a6:53f:12fb with SMTP id n31-20020a05600c3b9f00b003a6053f12fbmr458644wms.194.1660791197209; Wed, 17 Aug 2022 19:53:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Taht Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 19:53:04 -0700 Message-ID: To: Rpm , Dave Taht via Starlink , bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Starlink] my floss podcast on "icky latency" with doc searls on Jonathan Bennet X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 02:53:18 -0000 As burned out as I am on bufferbloat, jonathan is all over it and planning an article on hackaday. We ended up rapping on metric names, and "IQI" popped out. Also talked about starlink, apple and speedtest.net's differing interpretations of "responsiveness" and on other words... DTN and the bundle protocol and internets beyond planetary scale came up... the spaceship one launches, and the waddington effect. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DJDESVe_niqQ --=20 https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/what_are_the_real_costs_of_fiber/ Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC