From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x336.google.com (mail-wm1-x336.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::336]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 166933B2A4; Mon, 26 Feb 2024 10:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-wm1-x336.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-41298159608so14665345e9.0; Mon, 26 Feb 2024 07:06:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1708959996; x=1709564796; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=r5FcNtMl01LlIy6P/rth21QLxP6odEI9+CQqp78Hmvg=; b=XVMqF4/0ROHFiGAgdrDwBE2skPMe6QB4R4EQ6R7ISoR/9DQtmaTWA0IvWvVGP5lObz lLgoGXat8lwM4r+IG/0bcfAbZvFeKWKeMaJ9XXEBvMN4FM4P5Jh7MuB5gkkmdnf1CQTe C1cO6x9W5dlJbSULQ2rQhUxqdkleyzjbVHRcOUUrfgNgp1W4vu6PegvzAjhqtVvGChmB 4e0cQKUSZHSlA61V3kZo8WcO/jKhq/eRvODTV+U4DpNv3Lv7q4DJNGT86XX0jcCQlDGv 9cw2E4CG4rzy+o7Ij/Jyk0nX/lE4FId+DAvILztw9+dbgrAanv+3ICbU0JMcq7UfwdgS HxNw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1708959996; x=1709564796; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=r5FcNtMl01LlIy6P/rth21QLxP6odEI9+CQqp78Hmvg=; b=HLdRQ8fFpwFlS/pJ5xbbWfoaP9m7M2He91nNtvMvEiy04OUqShzkLCSuAeNjyXOzTg m61LcKFOSPtdQH6RlJdvCCGic5fOOkbaqsMH/HrHJqJyuxLMMBUSzn3FQJPfaTXtObtW iCFGPCsrko88953jo470K3Q8+lgG4M7n7Jhje9Ez9O9+ovzVmbQ+iGWEgC2v0gC5f6sG 8OO2k0cKS2LvMPRfkPPVeRoWsFgYjttqLmW88wKH1da53ToaAbFDLG3NaOVK5PbQnTc6 f6c2NxcqeK+YMLnTa8dJWVwR1SsxdoEo5EYrwP4b3nHjFowVBMmQ3iAcfaABeOk36I6X NE1A== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCWqVovJu/lzsO6Y8p6c/R/rlNHh1cOCgfZ7hNRY0X0OtQ58NQrzciy7vPC/sm+OjqU32MsOyDC0Fa1UGn2mZk9mnPE58rWiDn2gZAQkizG9jStfKri2HHahwd44uOx3cbsWLeAl0n+0ps4= X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzI6yFe0UewSjgVG1XfYeQWBT/t3jJjVkm4+gsDswGNs9CHzdHL dosjwX6PI04aT1dZH1nEKxhNBJTRtm+nIwieriZ4auBqs/qkgskDsB9PiBVilxnKBKQ3N76oCA4 xVw7J2inp/XlqagSdABk8SmjtogxM7GOxQvg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFd6kvk0yVSfh755m439u0CwLiuHZIrXgQKbC1ZbHRrue/WcPs1MJ8Ayfr5zdx5FKIrp7qrzfDFHgcROL+je5s= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:1c84:b0:412:a832:66ed with SMTP id k4-20020a05600c1c8400b00412a83266edmr1339420wms.20.1708959996453; Mon, 26 Feb 2024 07:06:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Taht Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2024 10:06:25 -0500 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= , Dave Taht via Starlink , Rpm , discuss , National Broadband Mapping Coalition Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Starlink] The FCC 2024 Section 706 Report, GN Docket No. 22-270 is out! X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2024 15:06:38 -0000 And... Our bufferbloat.net submittal was cited multiple times! Thank you all for participating in that process! https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-400675A1.pdf It is a long read, and does still start off on the wrong feet (IMHO), in particular not understanding the difference between idle and working latency. It is my hope that by widening awareness of more of the real problems with latency under load to policymakers and other submitters downstream from this new FCC document, and more reading what we had to say, that we will begin to make serious progress towards finally fixing bufferbloat in the USA. I do keep hoping that somewhere along the way in the future, the costs of IPv4 address exhaustion and the IPv6 transition, will also get raised to the national level. [1] We are still collecting signatures for what the bufferbloat project members wrote, and have 1200 bucks in the kitty for further articles and/or publicity. Thoughts appreciated as to where we can go next with shifting the national debate about bandwidth in a better direction! Next up would be trying to get a meeting, and to do an ex-parte filing, I think, and I wish we could do a live demonstration on television about it as good as feynman did here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DraMmRKGkGD4 Our original posting is here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK-QmhlYRLMBY= 4vH4/edit Larry's wonderful post is here: https://circleid.com/posts/20231211-its-the-latency-fcc [1] How can we get more talking about IPv4 and IPv6, too? Will we have to wait another year? https://hackaday.com/2024/02/14/floss-weekly-episode-769-10-more-internet/ --=20 https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/2024_predictions/ Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos