From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-io1-xd35.google.com (mail-io1-xd35.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E0EA3CB41 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 17:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd35.google.com with SMTP id r18so4050831iot.4 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 14:42:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xPMPmK+dMbiNbuIx0VBw9AacdLfv6kYhABvGD3SLiIw=; b=DLETDQt2uSgFzwezBnWUV/32wkaMdKcILB00BI0JK9IXEbP2nsOApBaV3C67s9JyHY vBp3xSoCOcbF2scXHtkf0WyPJGp6/ICpLznb1zjxS6M4byZVuQjXdR/r9w1bb3P66J3o /PB4BvjkFPUqHR8Zu7TVVbuiE3A2efeYa9TSKhN0RL3CSVyNbmWguJC1rRRrZaSUvlC6 Rj2UFa/JzQPtsC7gQVCdSw+f0Qc0QBYHI/fJS4s5Axz8WAiuC9LMpmN2B2uNy8cMSVoE A7/vjyhQJo96SC9Fk6SodRg6MmBG3FAAs2gsobsE5C6ULyexMj/rE/IZPeQsVeY5KWIA mThg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xPMPmK+dMbiNbuIx0VBw9AacdLfv6kYhABvGD3SLiIw=; b=Ah7T12iZVQpb46qtyRbVGvnJFax1GkPvwS5vQ9WkFzrvid6GWY7yh3HZS4VloK7muM EghiM/insFbAFArea/vWqvfCeLIBRnEM+Qi3upUm/sauLw+6PSUNgy51AB+AFVO1wXAd SSS5zAl+HGg0Mu0FOpI0wFOhIhRniuKyurwIUWpt8JmOAzphqy8a+DzIFXl/LW5l3a0j erCb5RX+20RKGdaQhsAskKqF1WfGmOjt+chmYQm7qJE1tchNTQ1twy/b/tKyNHXEl/JU f+fxb3TReZ8ijgQT72dyFlcgnPoWaCBSgWGzHx7Vbvh+vQpcvTMnyQr3ZzUJq8x1dEy+ Hg9Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531n5MHo2sktkWWYT4i5CuKZYV7lbzXbM9uMCxmWblfwYoanE4Ai Z2nwzIKU45PTvSoVt4cKsh6ksXanfSynQDWCT25fzZfavvgjng== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzyd46idaUg7v3xLqdntjHqnF4dm2mxTITH+ychIZyeA1C8CiurOUItuRAWIdeBmJRvUJTdIyINAT1ITCEhAPA= X-Received: by 2002:a5e:8816:: with SMTP id l22mr23332273ioj.100.1626903755487; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 14:42:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Taht Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 14:42:23 -0700 Message-ID: To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Starlink] a bit on reddit X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 21:42:36 -0000 ... despite my hope in one day hitting the front page of washington post with something like "Starlink achieves 5ms latencies under load on the rrul test! Gamers Rejoic= e!" or "comcast cuts latencies by 8x by using AQM!" I've grown weary and cynical today about anyone ever deeply understanding what a consistently low latency internet could really mean for the world's productivity or "how we could restore the edge to innovation!" or other glowing, hippie-dippy, bright futurist thoughts I too often have. I just wasted the morning on reddit putting in some good links to older hard to find material here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/okmx3x/bufferbloat_and_beyond_ta= lking_with_dave_taht/ I need to go off and work on one of my main (paid) projects and some grant proposals for the rest of the week. For anyone interested: nlnet has 50k available to just about anyone that can write a good one, ICSI is looking for new blood, and ampr is also looking for suitable non-profits to apply for nearly anything that applies to wireless. If you got something good that fits into https://www.ampr.org/giving/ submit soon! The FOSS show did cut our starlink segment down to a digestible size: Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw And they also extracted my cluebat segment: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6823375976098074624/ And for the record, yes, I did have an email exchange with elon in 2013 (via dan whaley) about icei.org and bufferbloat, I'd worked on the mothballed spacedev's trailblazer sat's linux-rt and usb subsystems in 2004 - (I have a few spacedev, and for that matter rotary rocket stories I should tell), and yes I was bitter about the falcon 1's 3rd launch that needed a slightly longer timeout (I figure a single shift left) on stage sep (with enough bugs all eyeballs are shallow), and when I interviewed at spacex in 2012 after we'd first succeeded with fq_codel and our project was essentially bankrupt (I was sleeping on paul vixie's couch), I had a choice between working on bufferbloat or calling spacex back to do embedded there (and didn't), and I do my best to make it sound fun and funny now. But it wasn't. A lot of it wasn't. I'm now on listening to the third season of "hitchiker's guide to the galaxy", and that's helping me a lot! I'm glad to see all the new members here, and we hope to have some new sch_cake data to report by the end of the week. I was enjoying the speculation on how to route stuff well around starlink but haven't time to speculate, please keep at it! cya sunday or so! -- Dave T=C3=A4ht CTO, TekLibre, LLC