From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oo1-xc35.google.com (mail-oo1-xc35.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::c35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69FEF3CB40 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2024 12:29:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-oo1-xc35.google.com with SMTP id 006d021491bc7-5f1e73033cbso594863eaf.3 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2024 09:29:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1732555774; x=1733160574; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=gvvOR0HG9dnoYN893KZDdRrAZeJFKa125dJD/aEHvkM=; b=ZkOVQyPwvXE5t5x5Npte+mMyMI/CNarOKMZ3JiwYtRFxhdPEW1oAnIzhCkE+PsG7Kt WIzYRm3g8k3ETNM8zHP0WHED1zd25QqosIZh+Y5KpqJ9fUGid6KFoTqLktuRvYliGtS3 KA/SaQzQcddpJJyt7iSRIGIPPc9k3lF7tHtwzP8GRQv6zN5qFTTPdXE4cbKVn+1yJ0dj JZ535ag6sRLgEefLQBW0mKmppytkpuerl7K1Pcia+kk9ejnWPzo280WvB13yIx95YCE9 YJ8NSkpjwM4hHJiJQUJuXQBonQTl4IazKMeQg9JmeVGxVicK2RPZlAs/CLW/G6U2KrfJ IGDQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1732555774; x=1733160574; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=gvvOR0HG9dnoYN893KZDdRrAZeJFKa125dJD/aEHvkM=; b=D5IKjC0nhnVZjriPiHOmBsbGb27It1+RTD9v49yrpnrd5B+oaPLoHeaqLmIpk3+f0E R/a9C6SUn/I0XuhYMnBdHxsotCXazl981FStzVMBYXJeKIoWZFtQZ0aqocwB1bqAwt6M rU5U6QUU5txHbkBiuPeRnB1Z+WCflxaZDqtu1gJhawTFK1OTdc8r3298cirQ6o6udq1S /tqvIr9xL8T00VGp0EwOTZrSlxbwp9Wmtun9KIuMqr0A1R2lw/CVx5ycEPXJXjuUox/i fVmxwWPC/S2q3pg/vifBCKOogYZpD8coBgmyVUJU1YUV9Bx4plVSu4VdepQ76TXRmJs4 gsjQ== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCViqe1hufjCydr0cFQEeT6yi9oqS6EAXS2LUBI9P+cnd5i3+pKJ/JcVQpVKJb5w5BO8bbMfjQ5Yrg==@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyxxKZtbHlScp/wKLjwSC8K4IE7y+BLkYHfOzjlJUS4Adfyu1tR /3+kosUaD4UObuvE7KDfii129Q5MHvfA+asgxSXiTxQW3x9GfNp1GzhrLXqCplICI6xrL1Sk0dB elFymG5p5yLfqH8KCinku5d7G1ns= X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncs3RGwVxqfxyV3fntfJbKXP37UmUqu3w21j6aUhHiNYLKKeok8kftb1PPgipSU yGa6giDRF44nXevDMNNWdMLeGRhWTUG+BC89Qd6OtLmx1AqNh/KuTzV1kzOqiQmZ8oQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHOiT4V0euzgqtXC1GlxsjhntTvvfmNNXoj5g45drAe4uIdLWJdl0MrsrR5AbFNvVKPclocmRc8vJ5C2wiUGeE= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6820:8c6:b0:5eb:6c26:1ca0 with SMTP id 006d021491bc7-5f06a911c41mr9513716eaf.1.1732555773773; Mon, 25 Nov 2024 09:29:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7032.1732386555@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <6f678b2a-4827-4334-a3c2-75d01bf0f06b@thexlab.org> <0n0ps9rq-730n-249n-1057-1o0707r405p3@ynat.uz> In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2024 09:29:21 -0800 Message-ID: To: Steve Stroh Cc: David Lang , starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net, sascha@thexlab.org, Michael Richardson Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink Internet Speeds Could Skyrocket to 2 Gigabits Per Second, SpaceX President Says X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2024 17:29:34 -0000 Yes, we have brilliant eyes going up. Brilliant pebbles, next? On Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 9:21=E2=80=AFAM Steve Stroh via Starlink wrote: > > Starshield isn=E2=80=99t just a version of Starlink for US military. The = Starshield sats have remote sensing capabilities too. That gives the US mil= itary greater ability to watch developments in realtime with all the Starsh= ield sats in LEO than they could with their more capable, larger, but fewer= observation sats. Not to mention higher bandwidth to downlink the observed= data interleaved with the coms traffic. > > > > > Steve Stroh N8GNJ (he / him / his) > Editor > Zero Retries Newsletter - https://www.zeroretries.org > Radios are Computers - With Antennas! > > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 08:59 David Lang via Starlink wrote: >> >> Sascha Meinrath via Starlink wrote: >> >> > For those who haven't been following the Starshield project (and its >> > exponential >> > ramp-up)... I fully expect that Musk will focus more on military-indus= trial >> > complex funding than in trying to repurpose FCC or NTIA support -- why= fight >> > in >> > the trenches for hundreds of millions when you can repurpose >> > billions/tens-of-billions elsewhere: >> > >> > https://spacenews.com/pentagons-commercial-satellite-internet-services= -program-soars-to-13-billion/ >> > >> > And yes, Starshield is just as scary and prone for abuse as Michael al= ludes >> > to. >> >> what's scary about it? it's just a smaller copy of Starlink, but run by = the >> Military so that they don't have to worry about who may work in a commer= cial >> company that operates the system that may not have the countries best in= terests >> at heart. >> >> while it's expensive, the systems that it's going to replace are even mo= re >> expensive, and are FAR slower. (and the fact that it's just normal TCP/I= P means >> that all the branches and vendors that provide equipment will actually >> standardize, they won't be able to push their own propriatary systems/pr= otocols) >> >> but 13B over several years for SpaceX to build and launch satellites for= them is >> a small portion of SpaceX revenue. It's expected that the income from St= arlink >> will be far more than that. So there is no reason to believe that they w= ill >> abandon the commercial space and go all military. >> >> David Lang >> >> >> > --Sascha >> > >> > On 11/23/24 13:29, Michael Richardson via Starlink wrote: >> >> >> >> Ulrich Speidel via Starlink wrote: >> >> > to launch at a faster rate or with fewer sats per launch. It's= also >> > a bit >> >> > more crowded in lower space, as this is where a lot of earth >> > observation >> >> > spacecraft sit (if you want to take detailed pics of the Earth= 's >> > surface, you >> >> > want it to be as close to your camera lens as you can have it)= , and >> > some of >> >> > those aren't there for open source public good science. >> >> >> >> >> >> 1. I'm sure that spaceX could just include cameras for earth observat= ion of >> > dissidents. >> >> 2. Earth observation will be obsolete according to Project 2025. >> >> 3. Elon will own the FCC. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Michael Richardson . o O ( IPv6 I=C3=B8T co= nsulting ) >> >> Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Starlink mailing list >> >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >> >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> Starlink mailing list >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos