From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pj1-x102d.google.com (mail-pj1-x102d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::102d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6EF563CB38 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2024 22:07:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-pj1-x102d.google.com with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-295c8b795e2so1296542a91.0 for ; Thu, 01 Feb 2024 19:07:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1706843238; x=1707448038; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Yu3OPf5TQIfm7tj1JDUJ2wVdtSp8OrW9bvTTzIA1cno=; b=QYY/8Q4fbVIaLt8iASiVuHfwz0DOOfCrOVtYjE6ZD0MN3cmgO0G5fpt4Ba4VQk86b0 JAHRn4fKtVVkrcD7/ZbKlUWP8ABRi/DwxivnaRVzm5oVtYb0RzWyYO1KqbkdUGJ1PUsJ Pv0lOuwTUKikdomsWxAEBkdnooSRS7cpfCv3/fQ2jgY2MSj+06R2yOrpL4rHc8CxYsBA P44S8Q0XRXrq+fYQ8yAz60nB2JGKZ6P7Q+8SLseRPHeQOOEXoFycKntZGQRdIqG7DC+U h/RqOVNmf0wPVvnCvHSa4eLeGJXMlVO4VW9Oy22VowVpuNToidbSMT7YnAzJeopxWVnj JWTw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1706843238; x=1707448038; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=Yu3OPf5TQIfm7tj1JDUJ2wVdtSp8OrW9bvTTzIA1cno=; b=RUVNTQw1BhWMfId5xl8TzstyXWxS8rCpiR5JQ6r0miCj1gUfFO/mu0kmrjpxeXrJ/0 TRPvgrRFCObTy3z5E0vPDEuv/4tUCKV8BWjgCIUyrCc3xl/0alr6kfiZKeqT3XntNU9i 6FEjFeCfDa1AaDeE0wWZalD6DXWQIepakADP6qcbYzJhERF9Djc+oQcs63JCoq2gIk02 aAnWxA3DJnGn+Mg2olG0pdA4w8PjJvIjo23Y6TCi4b0vw1OCSa9QKj0dKNtZ7BDsHTzs 0gxJmws+vADzQyhLmE3ZQwJOHglp7pRdi0veRoJdBuhfPkQPO3E1zcJDzebIrIsOHaae Oxpw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyPuPjFQ9ds3MK4omDNAzQrAJFHcNzn8mf4iiaNmijijqFFLpTh JqvEraD9mhc/oAZa7tpFbIQVAqTPSXzgTtIIuCmHKOljcqdF/DESDMa88X6+8XVEuYSliEfWor2 kxgH4dh/bGOVzfN3y1wtxm4it4aYLRkxS2UY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IF1q+cGMH38BLGeuLbPSTn/dfJHSZX0Jpx3/e56HAn26d7CDZ/AHY6zqnym5U8cOjzD1WCfsGwyiB+1qOBJMfA= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:9a5:b0:295:f024:60d4 with SMTP id 34-20020a17090a09a500b00295f02460d4mr4193420pjo.4.1706843237912; Thu, 01 Feb 2024 19:07:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Taht Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2024 22:07:06 -0500 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Starlink] 42 petabytes/day and ... X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2024 03:07:19 -0000 from here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3D39200323 There were two things that fell out of reading that article for me. "each laser is grossly underused on average, at 0.432% of its maximum capac= ity." + "Brashears also said Starlink=E2=80=99s laser system was able to connect tw= o satellites over 5,400 kilometers (3,355 miles) apart. The link was so long =E2=80=9Cit cut down through the atmosphere, all the way down to 30 kilometers above the surface of the Earth,=E2=80=9D he said, before the connection broke." So there IS a way to achieve previously unheard of lower latencies (at a cost in bitrate) across starlink across their network. Two hops to go 10,000km. I loved mark handley's original animation of how the ISL's were supposed to work, but given the orbits here, I kind of wish it was easy to plug the assumptions in and figure out what the NY -> tokoyo run would take in terms of hops and estimated switching overhead, given this distance record. How much data and what kind of data would benefit from that latency reduction is a matter of speculation. "Buy! Sell!" between tokoyo and london arbitrage was one of my first speculations many years ago. --=20 40 years of net history, a couple songs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DD9RGX6QFm5E Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos