From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
To: Larry Press <lpress@csudh.edu>
Cc: "starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net" <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Starlink] It’s the Latency, FCC
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2024 01:33:48 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA93jw6LhorECr_zkUGhw0AydEYxjenDjR4hasUFGz7k4OcBVA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
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There was a statement at the end of your blog post that I did not have
privs to respond to.
Honest question: What does digital equity really mean to most people?
"Digital equity is a condition in which all individuals and
communities have the information technology capacity needed for full
participation in our society, democracy, and economy." is the topmost
definition,but there are many others.
We made a point, easily demonstrable, that a 10Mbit link with 1ms
latency (to the nearest CDN) will outperforma 10Gbit link with 50ms.
This can be shown by web PLT, and in the case of 1ms to the nearest
IXP for a voip call, you also see improvement in user experience.
I have now been trying to break the common conflation that download
"speed" means anything at all for day to day, minute to minute, second
to second, use, once you crack 10mbit, now, for over 14 years. Am I
succeeding? I lost the 25/10 battle, and keep pointing at really
terrible latency under load and wifi weirdnesses for many existing
100/20 services today.
https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/speedtests/
I care more about MTBF and MTTR than bandwidths greater than 25mbits.
A whole town going down, unable to conduct commerce, when the network
goes down, where does that fit into digital equity?
On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 11:53 PM Larry Press via Starlink
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