[Starlink] successful drone attack on starlink terminal

[Starlink] successful drone attack on starlink terminal

[Dave Taht]

https://twitter.com/Megaconstellati/status/1760996758363029734

In general, two can play at this game, and given the low cost and good
range, and relative ease of building a sensor for the starlink
frequencies, I see starlinks fading from the battlefield. For that
matter, nearly every form of electronic communication, be it wifi, or
5G. Fiber or laser will be used instead.

See also the flipper zero.

https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/02/canada-vows-to-ban-flipper-zero-device-in-crackdown-on-car-theft/
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Re: [Starlink] successful drone attack on starlink terminal

[Alexandre Petrescu]

Le 23/02/2024 à 13:04, Dave Taht via Starlink a écrit :
> https://twitter.com/Megaconstellati/status/1760996758363029734
> 
> In general, two can play at this game, and given the low cost and good
> range, and relative ease of building a sensor for the starlink
> frequencies, I see starlinks fading from the battlefield. For that
> matter, nearly every form of electronic communication, be it wifi, or
> 5G. Fiber or laser will be used instead.

But laser could be blinded by counter-lasers, fiber could be cut by 
scissors, etc.

Measures, counter-measures, counter-counter-measures and so on, equally 
well on each of these media.

Alex

> 
> See also the flipper zero.
> 
> https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/02/canada-vows-to-ban-flipper-zero-device-in-crackdown-on-car-theft/

Re: [Starlink] successful drone attack on starlink terminal

[Alexandre Petrescu]

Le 23/02/2024 à 14:23, Alexandre Petrescu via Starlink a écrit :
> 
> 
> Le 23/02/2024 à 13:04, Dave Taht via Starlink a écrit :
>> https://twitter.com/Megaconstellati/status/1760996758363029734
>> 
>> In general, two can play at this game, and given the low cost and
>> good range, and relative ease of building a sensor for the
>> starlink frequencies, I see starlinks fading from the battlefield.
>> For that matter, nearly every form of electronic communication, be
>> it wifi, or 5G. Fiber or laser will be used instead.
> 
> But laser could be blinded by counter-lasers, fiber could be cut by 
> scissors, etc.
> 
> Measures, counter-measures, counter-counter-measures and so on,
> equally well on each of these media.

A way forward could be to induce equilibrium rather than
instability-increase albeit breakthrough technologies.

More equilibrium might(?) come from suggesting that all starlink be made
equally available to all parties (like Internet is), but that certainly
sounds as a crazy proposal in the current context of sanctions, even if
people do agree that Internet should stay up equally well for all.

So, I dont know.

It's just that it looks very dangerous what is happening there.

Alex

> 
> Alex
> 
>> 
>> See also the flipper zero.
>> 
>> https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/02/canada-vows-to-ban-flipper-zero-device-in-crackdown-on-car-theft/
>
>> 
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Re: [Starlink] successful drone attack on starlink terminal

[Eugene Chang]

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> On Feb 23, 2024, at 3:23 AM, Alexandre Petrescu via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Le 23/02/2024 à 13:04, Dave Taht via Starlink a écrit :
>> https://twitter.com/Megaconstellati/status/1760996758363029734
>> In general, two can play at this game, and given the low cost and good
>> range, and relative ease of building a sensor for the starlink
>> frequencies, I see starlinks fading from the battlefield. For that
>> matter, nearly every form of electronic communication, be it wifi, or
>> 5G. Fiber or laser will be used instead.
> 
> But laser could be blinded by counter-lasers, fiber could be cut by scissors, etc.
> 
> Measures, counter-measures, counter-counter-measures and so on, equally well on each of these media.
> 
> Alex

The point is some media can be remotely detected and targeted.

Laser is harder to detect than wireless (radio).
Fiber is even harder to be detected remotely.

Gene


> 
>> See also the flipper zero.
>> https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/02/canada-vows-to-ban-flipper-zero-device-in-crackdown-on-car-theft/
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Re: [Starlink] successful drone attack on starlink terminal

[Dave Collier-Brown]

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When I was in  the reserves (in an era of dinosaurs and stone axes), the regulars were using encrypted, frequency-agile radios. They were hard to localize unless you were so close that they were the loudest thing on the airwaves.

Using Starlink from a fixed location Could Be Bad.

--dave

On 2024-02-23 13:13, Eugene Chang via Starlink wrote:




On Feb 23, 2024, at 3:23 AM, Alexandre Petrescu via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net><mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:



Le 23/02/2024 à 13:04, Dave Taht via Starlink a écrit :


https://twitter.com/Megaconstellati/status/1760996758363029734
In general, two can play at this game, and given the low cost and good
range, and relative ease of building a sensor for the starlink
frequencies, I see starlinks fading from the battlefield. For that
matter, nearly every form of electronic communication, be it wifi, or
5G. Fiber or laser will be used instead.



But laser could be blinded by counter-lasers, fiber could be cut by scissors, etc.

Measures, counter-measures, counter-counter-measures and so on, equally well on each of these media.

Alex



The point is some media can be remotely detected and targeted.

Laser is harder to detect than wireless (radio).
Fiber is even harder to be detected remotely.

Gene







See also the flipper zero.
https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/02/canada-vows-to-ban-flipper-zero-device-in-crackdown-on-car-theft/


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