From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x330.google.com (mail-wm1-x330.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::330]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DEB833B2A4 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 10:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x330.google.com with SMTP id 6-20020a1c0206000000b003c6c154d528so452728wmc.4 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 07:00:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=xZLfI1II+63FRjfEWm2c9UZrEWBamD5DyAOjt+BB+iw=; b=EJVerXr5rE2F082/fb6kUo00hfnxT033Y4jiXcjuazmGJ2SvomGfW3U+tFE//0pGAU yPIS7u35jmziiB5yASt2DjPoLN2TIgNSwcFFCw+q63ciHXuui0a1smONB+ql8yytAyA5 TuSIfJ5wSybzqOVxRevj6SSJxDYFIjDcqF8qOy6qfF4H9BwF2xI0YE8T2nGMesG3NnJo OhC+XFvo+acS4ZEmBw74C9/OUJyvuLuU+bH5ssqSeXlWpId0D+SoStEaTzfje9+MMjbD uwpuEaZ/tBR34v4AlN70AbmzZIdTf08iAiSPBxBCZDtd+4kX93d5UltdRmPPVaAsehjV B3kQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=xZLfI1II+63FRjfEWm2c9UZrEWBamD5DyAOjt+BB+iw=; b=TLG2yrq5LBERkiA6lh32GX21XUypMGQakUmxG04e4DCOjNI+9ITcNhCcMdFLtl3ehG TRiyQA/m/yVbAJtLjp/t7Wd9R/Mj/lRcspgVeZ5dItysUhhm7lHInWwV9kQQaYhrdiKL PY/C+FQIa5PcbP0rVBAW2UeIBq+Jv+P7zNJ3Z4lglWoYjVDNcFKDBE/ilcmcwpwNHQrH GxedUNJ7uFhW4sAvyo1zypECwqcwRgoyVqFhYOMKMuig96NIjqVBlCmW0VAiZQue3YH2 6WykIoDUJGMv27Pyyv1HoiUnefK/741J8pf+9vbjw0zWjc9X3+6qeShidc22Z6pgzWXg /nXw== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf1u2KeLIdAbuXtCWQNFzr0InLsI9Kff0iTuTR1QwmVhH9IhyzcP QQbqkSUElGvAaGh3riAtX1obEkLBuv+GtXivHUZUWHJgjD4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM7BBZDfM+mKBPEZ7ZufV9ia1Hn2NzdEQOZUgcTzsWuBeniodsIt0mlgRqaHDTeJ/8YWO8RdU3mvM45yAAjG8UA= X-Received: by 2002:a7b:c3c4:0:b0:3c4:785a:36d7 with SMTP id t4-20020a7bc3c4000000b003c4785a36d7mr10693473wmj.138.1665755999247; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 06:59:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Taht Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2022 06:59:46 -0700 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Starlink] The DoD "Transport Layer" X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2022 14:00:01 -0000 It looks like an "internet" in space is shaping up. In a much earlier thread on this list, there was a presentation about the moon<->earth architectures and standards being sorted out. It was an awful looking amalgam of every technology we have available today from lte to wifi to the bundle protocol and everything in between. I can't find the site that pointed at the specs now (?) Right now it's reminding me of the bad ole days, where you'd find me on ..leo!LunarGW!rhysling_crater!dtaht. And then there's this that went by yesterday: "DIU=E2=80=99s hybrid space architecture would use commercial communication systems as transport pipes to move data collected by imaging satellites and deliver it quickly to government users. The concept assumes that commercial satellites will talk to each other via interoperable links. Shimmin said his office awards contracts to commercial companies with incentives that =E2=80=9Cgently encourage different vendors to cooperate together.=E2=80=9D By doing that, =E2=80=9Cwe=E2=80=99ve created a much mor= e collaborative relationship with our vendors.=E2=80=9D DIU is working with the Space Force and the Air Force Research Laboratory on the hybrid architecture. The project is intended to support Pentagon efforts to connect ground, air, maritime and space systems, a concept known as Joint All-Domain Command and Control, or JADC2. The backbone of the hybrid network will be DoD=E2=80=99s Transport Layer, a constellation to be deployed by the Space Development Agency, he said. =E2=80=9CWe want to augment it with the commercial communications architectures that are coming online to proliferate the internet in space, get every satellite talking to every other satellite, relaying through ground stations regardless of who owns the ground stations, they should all function as routers.=E2=80=9D The thinking in JADC2 is =E2=80=9Cto embrace multiple providers so we don= =E2=80=99t have a single point of failure,=E2=80=9D said Shimmin. " https://spacenews.com/starlinks-market-dominance-affecting-dods-hybrid-netw= ork-plans/ --=20 This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-69813666656= 07352320-FXtz Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC