From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x32c.google.com (mail-wm1-x32c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E01D3B29D for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2023 16:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x32c.google.com with SMTP id d41-20020a05600c4c2900b003e9e066550fso6589216wmp.4 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2023 13:18:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; t=1678652280; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=NZCcwUe6xi3Y/yryK7PJSOYfcCe2kH2+9i+erH8DeF4=; b=btjt1qqzMln6a6J2WRfpfaDCgAB2YIqhTGmbmPlM6mDffSCwoHfNF68FLZ9uNsLR7q IAUQ9N6apDgqiTSwI1ZyNhbtAnciD7kb0q36sZWRutt3qkBgbRfOy91y4sc555t+hOwI l4aKYI9SkkBinbQnXxfodF1pVSspbFQcyVlJVfGyuSTJ6msekGay4Tt6FeT064gfCYg6 FG4rs5EPhlpXGIhxwlaBiglfvXAyNYn1ia+7jRuhok/i4tPanWIejM/n6cmh4mW3vuvb f5R2wudGHovwN/H4rubQF9K/q6qFsM5xMD9+kIpt5d8FVtrET+a/YnVlGFHqBcmFHT4d hg9Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1678652280; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=NZCcwUe6xi3Y/yryK7PJSOYfcCe2kH2+9i+erH8DeF4=; b=SCVW7Y+aPbiBl5x3cn8AOWyOZDjdpurLNK2rzBWh4ELsZgMS2Id5OVqP5BXMX08OLb zzWUYJq8sVWz1F/wQ/o6tQ4EVjjqlLR7l5RLxMEVKIWnxx+lVsgmdecK0y1G4StP8tV4 XDKcHjW7DWtYSCxhwr5QmWq4xG6+Tjb+C9RMpYHLa9QZPkvhlv4fJpQX86wo8DULAww2 CX3NudOr0NR0i8MABrji1OSTccWDKXgQ/rc89NfUU75giYI12UxKdab2pKMEu6G31Px6 m7cDUaAFRZI/DabnpS+67dhbEFPComh4cQt5QHhLYqtdCOOq/SRSNqSZzVak2WSNJx21 tFag== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKWjNPtiHekgEhVDr4fhB1dzxy/vjFkEvrVVSl0hlJuAQ6cH9pqq Hz70EJ7GK9gH7ZcgfgxAlfrrETf9/L7rEzI2OZkMIuBU X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set/meM7DR9vuXQ+RyrfN3fFlnFZaI1oUjFPXY7eE+1HNMKHSWV70YbBSMR5299cLTzk11Fs57NejdIdCTXo8+K4= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:511b:b0:3ed:241a:bd2d with SMTP id o27-20020a05600c511b00b003ed241abd2dmr257112wms.6.1678652279963; Sun, 12 Mar 2023 13:17:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1678647098.508830273@apps.rackspace.com> In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2023 13:17:47 -0700 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Starlink] Fwd: async circuits 30+ years later X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2023 20:18:01 -0000 I often think, I should never have played with this, I should never have learned how to think like this about hardware, I am nearly alone in the world, and completely unable to cope with modern hardware design tools because of this: https://authors.library.caltech.edu/43698/1/25YearsAgo.pdf I am happy to see there is still research ongoing, like I pointed to in my previous message. I thought (2002?) that the "amulet" async arm processor was going to sweep the world for wireless-related circuits because of the low self-noise... Anyway, the shedding work problem and the unbounded queue problem are distinctly different problems, thank you for helping me get the two clear in my head vs language design! --=20 Come Heckle Mar 6-9 at: https://www.understandinglatency.com/ Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC