From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf1-x132.google.com (mail-lf1-x132.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CCCDF3B2A4; Tue, 27 Feb 2024 02:51:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-lf1-x132.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-512b700c8ebso4964308e87.0; Mon, 26 Feb 2024 23:51:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1709020301; x=1709625101; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=8tOQezhhYePdhEFNzpnOJD8P0quoViyDzL0ju7He/PE=; b=dV6+9+Z47z7zWxNC62t12AFRcD0jjn8fJgKWEFHb+3zy2niCIpQm7dbk9KibHOL8j5 UUAy0hYZKNJ/4iOvUetTwG/cWJqVvIEf+z/oSpKo1i5klK/jW9I9gflVqpYMDKzDP71i auOxGMW+r+KUtIxHdsi43HNCJuqEJvP/4ftXbS+S2JogpRkemP7nrhDCJZoOgAUvwaWx Zp0A7GZZbDZECFgFIgaIwuVABDojtTCImmVPyYThUFtZ0VKXi9C+7whpnru5SdbGa5Ju sn4FuzmwbGC56CppzyMNG/3HwaFZ5Eh5ID7gP9fujLwnY5+MUgGMXaaxcdV97VWNuyMo S6vQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1709020301; x=1709625101; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=8tOQezhhYePdhEFNzpnOJD8P0quoViyDzL0ju7He/PE=; b=DOwwrnthdbmIhCdMdHbWqBVT3nscq6ZdyqANwoRH12/Hj7mdZg6z9LdiS+OLPyQshF Chm4lmsvfFe8MGGDPH/5qi9dOnjkaIKryjQd3LjvQx6R+fQHstIXrdJhUWhgYd+vLcHg UsTira5SAgm788OLqILU54eX31C8E0EAFQO097IsFXpV5o3ZFfc8jBvDP95fnUaidsgs 9xJveyT5yvnhQoYUBdegSBc5AEDhfmbqTap+2vxQ59ERJWQ60rkHDFbeT5K/bB1eACBM Dn/WXslkZjgWmBVjSpwFcrfqrH7vs0YNofBLBmIlk0pHVmE2Zg/rQgLshwB/Egjp8FHf NpKA== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCVnzovJ3I+FVcIdm0BeQWvZ9XrYgXTxU77EhnjZ8z8/8bpbEST15ARe8Rd/V5BHvJXFlEn28WDHq3mxF6MN9MTfHzrLziIpiispMSdVpQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yyn77Xr3tREvrT0mzS5ksvbGLGNpENGKUHOQUkMWQOcVPZAT9xJ dzL0lLg73g5xVNGeQJS31sD6tcLnvmcPEirRFuKdVxmOXLsv1TvGz7Hi61O8ZlkR3m1Uq+sAnlV tZtAYunqBZMTdbKOAEScb039ayvW/XnaM X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IELcukcZnH3r5z/lVx2wGbad6xHDd9TWYk8Xr4+o20EduSvpu8/+eyk3K0h1oA+UBaIRK9LYWpRwxPn8e2XY1Y= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:4dac:0:b0:512:e25f:4b57 with SMTP id h12-20020ac24dac000000b00512e25f4b57mr5540313lfe.63.1709020301228; Mon, 26 Feb 2024 23:51:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 02:51:29 -0500 Message-ID: To: the keyboard of geoff goodfellow Cc: Starlink , =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspect?= =?UTF-8?Q?s_heard_this_time=21?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Starlink] starlink IXP peering progress X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 07:51:43 -0000 One of the things I learned today was that starlink has published an extensive guide as to how existing BGP AS holders can peer with them to get better service. I am curious if there is a way to see how many have peered already, how many they could actually peer with?, and progress over time since inception.... is there a tool for that? https://starlink-enterprise-guide.readme.io/docs/peering-with-starlink This is increasingingly off topic and too technical for the nnagain mailing list (aside from documenting its impact and importance for network resilience), is there a better email list to discuss ixp stuff? (I will send a copy of this separately to nanog) On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 3:32=E2=80=AFPM the keyboard of geoff goodfellow vi= a Starlink wrote: > > EXCERPT: > > A Multifaceted Look at Starlink Performance > > Nitinder Mohan=E2=88=97 Technical University of Munich Germany > Andrew E. Ferguson=E2=88=97 The University of Edinburgh United Kingdom > Hendrik Cech=E2=88=97 Technical University of Munich Germany > Rohan Bose Technical University of Munich Germany > Prakita Rayyan Renatin Technical University of Munich Germany > Mahesh K. Marina The University of Edinburgh United Kingdom > J=C3=B6rg Ott Technical University of Munich Germany > > ABSTRACT > In recent years, Low-Earth Orbit (LEO) mega-constellations have ushered i= n a new era for ubiquitous Internet access. The Starlink network from Space= X stands out as the only commercial LEO network with over 2M+ customers and= more than 4000 operational satellites. In this paper, we conduct a first-o= f-its-kind extensive multi-faceted analysis of Starlink performance leverag= ing several measurement sources. First, based on 19.2M crowdsourced M-Lab s= peed tests from 34 countries since 2021, we analyze Starlink global perform= ance relative to terrestrial cellular networks. Second, we examine Starlink= =E2=80=99s ability to support real-time latency and bandwidth-critical appl= ications by analyzing the performance of (i) Zoom conferencing, and (ii) Lu= na cloud gaming, comparing it to 5G and fiber. Third, we perform measuremen= ts from Starlink-enabled RIPE Atlas probes to shed light on the last-mile a= ccess and other factors affecting its performance. Finally, we conduct cont= rolled experiments from Starlink dishes in two countries and analyze the im= pact of globally synchronized =E2=80=9C15-second reconfiguration intervals= =E2=80=9D of the satellite links that cause substantial latency and through= put variations. Our unique analysis paints the most comprehensive picture o= f Starlink=E2=80=99s global and last-mile performance to date. > > 1 INTRODUCTION > Over the past two decades, the Internet=E2=80=99s reach has grown rapidly= , driven by innovations and investments in wireless access [22, 46, 47] (bo= th cellular and WiFi) and fiber backhaul deployment that has interconnected= the globe [3, 8, 10, 24, 77]. Yet, the emergence of Low-Earth Orbit (LEO) = satellite networking, spearheaded by ventures like Starlink [65], OneWeb [4= 9], and Kuiper [4], is poised to revolutionize global connectivity. LEO net= works consist of megaconstellations with thousands of satellites orbiting a= t 300=E2=80=932000 km altitudes, promising ubiquitous low latency coverage = worldwide. Consequently, these networks are morphing into =E2=80=9Cglobal I= SPs=E2=80=9D capable of challenging existing Internet monopolies [66], brid= ging connectivity gaps in remote regions [36, 69], and providing support in= disaster-struck regions with impaired terrestrial infrastructure [21]... > > [...] > https://arxiv.org/pdf/2310.09242.pdf > via > https://twitter.com/TMFAssociates/status/1762204942297952382 > > -- > Geoff.Goodfellow@iconia.com > living as The Truth is True > > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink --=20 https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/2024_predictions/ Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos