From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ej1-x62d.google.com (mail-ej1-x62d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::62d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 879143B29E for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 12:02:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-ej1-x62d.google.com with SMTP id p15so28920206ejc.7 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 09:02:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=358lm+9gFYi5aFPVG4p+hZWEIRd4YM38BN4C+PR3yJg=; b=A+VqmwYi5YLmk2SVnkyIsAi32Vxt4+0eSvKFIJUPV3FrIg1/nqcbod1CC9Gztf0DKo Gf40nFGe1WMJdlbpSSeJkiw0Hwsa93o9xW9z/mGBYleqZCxCJvgKE6pw3CfqRzUl07u5 g82THJ9S5qm3X+qw9x1qciDT5DhAPlUvdk0fa6FY7mLTXRWf9wP0z1mXv1ZM3lWFlAZ+ AaUCoSV5eGBPn7/sQj8X+10NyJj5LtHwvPSmhC3qnAmbXQ6pZQOyBXZiLL5BjI6MzlLc THJ7UVJw9W0Z36TYv5Me20OnPWmRrzrHvtKADv6WJ1OIiv3W5lNizkwAE1ZhcUA31v/M IiuQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=358lm+9gFYi5aFPVG4p+hZWEIRd4YM38BN4C+PR3yJg=; b=HDk9CmYpZ3h8mWSgdb5gA6iqI6ekEQsgdEbJZga6hZNZxUhF7hUQ9fPBWpwZbMWrVK K3XO2EY6RuQSTmN/ROZUDeV0wgCKAsEj2uea8ZfkTn6Wr4MZNNpLt9/GujSmlV6m5HWe iWlIBMe7kSXITP9Yo/iyuK4iC6Uv2eRBOp6kUDzYFOCpogXMXsi/R0hm5o7WT1PTfA7c P7Z02pTeL5chHE7MZG/wJtqdQCBj1od4XQqBOulo4/dyZWySvFwuXxkjsBcHE6v6gehi Rd4M+uygglapUvGG1smCtezfAcQMNbMMpfZ5sF2VN9lDluJjGfbVXeSIu0QpHxODjtoG 747g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530mhcERkWBeoUDir5LkKuH45pRqd/URAWhi4BnzfLWWQh9M1f0+ v9JtH6JUd6Qi9SjmTa74wONHC5OkRjh2qfamTP6sM3gXhTY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxAi+NV4kuh39gkZL0LL21LQohvqO8Ht66Am4y0c/AaKX4mZuAc0P/EOF7f4HEPBIPSj5PjQBonzo3dZxr41gc= X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:a428:: with SMTP id sg40mr5553388ejc.128.1644685320942; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 09:02:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Taht Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 09:01:50 -0800 Message-ID: To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Starlink] saving ship 20 X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 17:02:02 -0000 (is there a good email list for spacex, rather than starlink stuff? I'm really not into twitter, reddit, etc) After watching elon musk's presentation thursday night I was struck by the symbolism of ship 20 behind him and wondering why the planned flight was to attempt a splashdown at the end. https://starshipcampaign.com/starship/ship-20/ I could think of a more leapfrog-like approach where they left it in orbit, to analyze the effects of a longer term stay there, testing restarts, or vacuum welding problems on the engines, using as a agena-like target for rendezvous maneuvers, trying out repairing or replacing various parts... Do they not have enough thrust, even with an empty payload bay, to stay up there? Is there a dummy payload planned? I was thinking of one of bigalow's demo inflatable habs, and along that rathole was, why not just cut a hole in the side and spray in insulation... Not even sure if there is a working door... --=20 I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC