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From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
To: Ulrich Speidel <u.speidel@auckland.ac.nz>
Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Starlink] insanely great waveform result for starlink
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2023 21:25:37 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA93jw6nu8KUE3864kXwgeP8sXfkszfEEkE_9Fc8wTf2NSirTA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f42961f6-4192-c423-714c-1f40c9b9bf66@auckland.ac.nz>


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both of you are showing insanely great upload numbers.

On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 9:14 PM Ulrich Speidel via Starlink <
starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

> From Auckland, New Zealand, using a roaming subscription, it puts me in
> touch with a server 2000 km away. OK then:
>
>
> IP address: nix six.
>
> My thoughts shall follow later.
>
> On 13/01/2023 5:26 pm, Jonathan Bennett via Starlink wrote:
>
> Just ran a Waveform test, and ping times are still terrible while maxing
> out download speeds. Upload saturation doesn't seem to affect latency,
> though. Also interesting, it's giving me a valid ipv6 block again.
>
> [image: image.png]
> [image: image.png]
> Jonathan Bennett
> Hackaday.com
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 10:08 PM Dave Taht via Starlink <
> starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
>> has anyone been testing theirs this week?
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Luis A. Cornejo <luis.a.cornejo@gmail.com>
>> Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 7:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] the grinch meets
>> cloudflare'schristmas present
>> To: MORTON JR., AL <acmorton@att.com>
>> Cc: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>, Jay Moran <jay@tp.org>, Cake List
>> <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>, IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org>, Rpm
>> <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net>, bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
>> dickroy@alum.mit.edu <dickroy@alum.mit.edu>, libreqos
>> <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net>
>>
>>
>> Well Reddit has many posts talking about noticeable performance
>> increases for Starlink. Here is a primetime run:
>>
>> waveform:
>>
>> https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=333f97c7-7cbd-406c-8d9a-9f850cb5de7d
>>
>> cloudflare attached
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 11:43 AM MORTON JR., AL <acmorton@att.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dave and Luis,
>> >
>> > Do you know if any of these tools are using ~random payloads, to defeat
>> compression?
>> >
>> > UDPST has a CLI option:
>> > (m)    -X           Randomize datagram payload (else zeroes)
>> >
>> > When I used this option testing shipboard satellite access, download
>> was about 115kbps.
>> >
>> > Al
>> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
>> > > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 11:12 AM
>> > > To: Luis A. Cornejo <luis.a.cornejo@gmail.com>
>> > > Cc: Jay Moran <jay@tp.org>; Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>;
>> IETF IPPM
>> > > WG <ippm@ietf.org>; MORTON JR., AL <acmorton@att.com>; Rpm
>> > > <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>;
>> > > dickroy@alum.mit.edu; libreqos <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net>
>> > > Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] the grinch meets
>> > > cloudflare'schristmas present
>> > >
>> > > Either starlink has vastly improved, or the test is way off in this
>> case.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work:
>>
>> https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-6981366665607352320-FXtz
>> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
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This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work:
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-6981366665607352320-FXtz
Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-13  5:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-04 17:26 [Starlink] the grinch meets cloudflare's christmas present Dave Taht
2023-01-04 19:20 ` [Starlink] [Rpm] " jf
2023-01-04 20:02   ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-04 21:16     ` Ulrich Speidel
2023-01-04 23:54       ` Bruce Perens
2023-01-05  2:48         ` Dave Collier-Brown
2023-01-05  3:11           ` Dick Roy
2023-01-05 11:25             ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-06  0:01               ` Dick Roy
2023-01-06  9:43                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-05  6:11         ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-05 11:11     ` [Starlink] [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-06 16:38 ` [Starlink] [LibreQoS] " MORTON JR., AL
2023-01-06 20:38   ` [Starlink] [Rpm] " rjmcmahon
2023-01-06 20:47     ` rjmcmahon
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2023-01-13  4:08                         ` [Starlink] insanely great waveform result for starlink Dave Taht
2023-01-13  4:26                           ` Jonathan Bennett
2023-01-13  5:13                             ` Ulrich Speidel
2023-01-13  5:25                               ` Dave Taht [this message]
2023-01-13 12:27                               ` Ulrich Speidel
2023-01-13 17:02                                 ` Jonathan Bennett
2023-01-13 17:26                                   ` Dave Taht
2023-01-13 17:41                                     ` Jonathan Bennett
2023-01-13 18:09                                       ` Nathan Owens
2023-01-13 20:30                                         ` Nathan Owens
2023-01-13 20:37                                           ` Dave Taht
2023-01-13 21:24                                             ` Nathan Owens
2023-01-13 20:49                                           ` Dave Taht
2023-01-13 21:25                                             ` Luis A. Cornejo
2023-01-13 21:30                                               ` Nathan Owens
2023-01-13 22:09                                                 ` Jonathan Bennett
2023-01-13 22:30                                                   ` Luis A. Cornejo
2023-01-13 22:32                                                   ` Dave Taht
2023-01-13 22:36                                                     ` Luis A. Cornejo
2023-01-13 22:42                                                     ` Jonathan Bennett
2023-01-13 22:49                                                       ` Dave Taht
2023-01-13 23:44                                                   ` Dave Taht
     [not found]                                                     ` <CALjsLJv5cbfHfkxqHnbjxoVHczspYvxc_jrshzs1CpHLEDWyew@mail.gmail.com>
2023-01-14 14:20                                                       ` Nathan Owens
2023-01-14 15:53                                                         ` Dave Taht
2023-01-14 16:33                                                           ` Dave Taht
2023-01-14 15:52                                                       ` Dave Taht
2023-01-13 20:25                                     ` Pat Jensen
2023-01-13 20:40                                       ` Dave Taht
2023-01-13 22:51                                   ` Ulrich Speidel

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