From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x32c.google.com (mail-wm1-x32c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 310273CB37 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2023 11:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x32c.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-3f19a7f9424so23363525e9.2 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2023 08:27:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1682350065; x=1684942065; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=sh8Th2dDXjmAuhKUhXU4bD6wi8jsYXierLY+NJFE1Yc=; b=GCriD5piYEj3hfzsRUEV3PjghxUK+y/6Qp9pQWzY4Ghv5iY17lIQd8YtjhTd+Hf7af xBxwJZhT7H9XFM532s7xgeKaduN1RCOYn9q3gWZK8wtgC3j5xhsbb2nQU0O9h+2rhnrp D4+11CsRYi+CdEzPZZe++S50COEGH4/LYRjEE2f/nBuYN0Ob/YYfKdvVXemoDMtC0qva Wgi+B2K3sLpYY0PXTuarqhf+0dk5jXOjbEnSecmvuoxWI4v3QGMEVO7DnKbqe5xUNoBE MSr2eg/ymk1rjSeJEhfP992G6QE1+kfEtcd+/eePhZp5eLJTVaOYluBlpsVuiuUwuDOZ cpmA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1682350065; x=1684942065; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=sh8Th2dDXjmAuhKUhXU4bD6wi8jsYXierLY+NJFE1Yc=; b=Om4RZavkMj1KW93oZD2pEbTp2osVHAlIig1NNqRjHMAqV+aVg08UiaOIHQoBnfhUga 7NSNQcy07VP0KF2d1gdg6Y/YKiJVdASDEeWdV11LUL8L2wq5W8mTNu1EfXC52vsNCjDi nif8KNBrkG+EaxsnYmq9ETHhSqJ/OA2k7vJDhWkdiTFawWgqnRcEj44aBcEpUxiK3jl/ TUy8l9khgyuBtdb6A8srZwxmHUN6Z/Zx6zJqetD0BnTcn6LHNCeddkN8RgO+r0mNpRE0 ZmiemcQ7j1oWT0kUSt0ycWwq/2PH2v2IQyZMBOn7LzSI3M7GQXGy+Vx4Ixzsu1Z36zPT IvVQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9cg08z4UHE3oneT7rAsMSf1XNMAzP4EAkp/p5GmEYFborZ2+QXc XQvB9UvmU2UkNHpHX3UsOYH6wcESmxQMZxO1TbjlADe0 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350YluDh7W++nT/a3IUzyxpAe9Q3YbsC4o8axNdCE3Xdp7whV/jfIQyTGpPXdGE37/ARjuvKv4ZwJ0epZvKrEISA= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:ac5:b0:3ed:276d:81a4 with SMTP id c5-20020a05600c0ac500b003ed276d81a4mr7680904wmr.32.1682350065408; Mon, 24 Apr 2023 08:27:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <26657.1682349381@localhost> In-Reply-To: <26657.1682349381@localhost> From: Dave Taht Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2023 08:27:34 -0700 Message-ID: To: Michael Richardson Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Starlink] some post Starship launch thoughts X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2023 15:27:47 -0000 On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 8:16=E2=80=AFAM Michael Richardson via Starlink wrote: > > Dave Taht via Starlink wrote: > > Everyone wants a water deluge system and flame diverter, but I was > > thinking perhaps liquid nitrogen, as a natural byproduct of LOX > > Yeah, but how do you put one on the moon or mars? > Lower gravity helps, sure, ... Well, the concrete did not shatter at 1/2 thrust... > > Landing and then taking off from the moon or mars look rather > > problematic at the moment! > > Do the rockets do the swoop and flip on mars and the moon? SSTO in those cases. Presently. > This part I just don't understand. > (But then, the entire mars mission is fraught with dozens of missing thin= gs, > starting with radiation shielding) I was a very lonely asteroid exploration advocate at the launch, futilely engaging with the "Mars Firsters" once again, as I have been since the 80s. * Gravity sucks. * NEO exploration requires less delta-v to get there and much less to go elsewhere or return. * You can use launch tethers to get off the class of "fast rotators", especially. > > -- > ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh netwo= rks [ > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architec= t [ > ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails= [ > > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink --=20 AMA March 31: https://www.broadband.io/c/broadband-grant-events/dave-taht Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC