From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pj1-x1035.google.com (mail-pj1-x1035.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1035]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 731A43CB40 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2023 02:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-pj1-x1035.google.com with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-2802c41b716so723575a91.1 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2023 23:02:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1698645744; x=1699250544; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=bZlmOuGBShC4rPooyD5LXbahnWBqo7QwCPdNY0h19rc=; b=lNyGjmolYZx1ZlTzhVgvt25Q8csCJQq0UfuDEbipQkm0aV1wF5rtfR+AHECvqJl6T3 yHLIftD8FMlVrvt/HJucYcddBFv1/lHlOIaY48AYcd/t/WEdZVWAAmusqkzbRdI6eBOb 2rlLjxaOl6TOMY04a4NXPbbUQiPwbGCpwhaGtysh+ZsOMNoEdClZHVbcLrVUMfGk5TNN o//YnekqIlbRP6h+qjYEr3MM3ubCrZAi4LGCorutmlL2Atpjroc9FlyTgvIOVZlclw1P 5DE2c5O4/JF67spOCGypclni5nUtxTqCJZtaKUpWpLnF8X6a+Z44ksIAF7gorHpydRUR sDgA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1698645744; x=1699250544; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=bZlmOuGBShC4rPooyD5LXbahnWBqo7QwCPdNY0h19rc=; b=uZ/1EGase6FSCcoJfHAKGzmED2ttFIF8LnoLg7lOsgq7muCLiVLNgVdu9BpM4/gqgd xhHlrkeLsA2/5SJrqYsaGwKV+l4VuoqDjllZIe/Vy3Le6BEebjeuq8uN7LZrSukfK6IQ MQYS5zHQieMJB0xN3Lwil3fb6PXiBYwxlUoQoliau4otk8kpSGfAI12x2fQZEVs3qQ95 OYvRnH6kVVGsIuN/Ro1DjS72TTQFS0gmNIUOBYwrmdOisR/488NdHjAeUJ/LmMIFcynS vot5X1Or0q7qYCKZvK+Xl1nKyE+r9y3wDsgw72l+XVPHyCJuFev395jQZAwNJllo+0wS UYaw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxBxyhA2NxLV72SlfDRe3mBhMpGXoub7dD5+fmxiLV/I6HOlefa dsi1TE4WIxAP8CSKEKuSkZdVHt8IYjpw4DhEkCeSW9TazLQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGGBGZw514wb75kOeC6y6DRCvS6jSUKzQVwncX7CfQwpDFqGizkt6Vw8f9sZTmqYS8SapttbfEKz+UYzBTtVhg= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:df15:b0:280:5e8:58be with SMTP id gp21-20020a17090adf1500b0028005e858bemr4792395pjb.48.1698645744370; Sun, 29 Oct 2023 23:02:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2023 23:02:09 -0700 Message-ID: To: joe@hamelin.us Cc: the keyboard of geoff goodfellow , Starlink Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Starlink] "Interesting set of developments with Starlink. Musk says they will support "international aid orgs" in Gaza, Israel now says they will use "all available means" to stop SpaceX from doing so. X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2023 06:02:25 -0000 On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 9:33=E2=80=AFPM Joe Hamelin wro= te: > > The US did shut down ham radio during WW2. I think you could elaborate on that? We did not jam the ham signals, at least, as that would be impossible. Well every country tried to stop unauthorized broadcasts... HUFFDUFF developed for detecting that in part - and every country also attempted to insert spies with some radio capability, also. Think of that in something of this context, in perhaps a hidden story: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/pirate-iptv-network-in-austr= ia-dismantled-and-174-million-seized/ Anyway we can bounce signals off of just about everything now, I do not think the state of the art in jamming is up to the state of the art in spread signal tech - as seemingly validated by starlink so far - but localization of a transmitter is straightforward all the way to orbit now. > > On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 9:27=E2=80=AFAM Dave Taht via Starlink wrote: >> >> I think that the internet should stay up, connecting people to people, >> through all the conflicts we may ever have. The mails kept running - >> although censored - all through world war two - the red cross, allowed >> by all sides, to keep it's relief missions running, the churches >> (mostly) doing their job to console the weary... >> >> Many other orgs, like the ITU, and the IETF, are committed to the >> continued free exchange of information, no matter what. >> >> https://www.itu.int/en/about/Pages/default.aspx >> >> I am happy to see a worldwide ISP committed to the same principles. >> >> On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 9:07=E2=80=AFAM the keyboard of geoff goodfellow= via >> Starlink wrote: >> > >> > =E2=9E=94=E2=9E=94https://twitter.com/dburbach/status/1718638348812595= 660 >> > >> > -- >> > Geoff.Goodfellow@iconia.com >> > living as The Truth is True >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Starlink mailing list >> > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >> >> >> >> -- >> Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.= html >> Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos >> _______________________________________________ >> Starlink mailing list >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > > > -- > -- > Joe Hamelin, W7COM, Tulalip, WA, 360-474-7474 --=20 Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.htm= l Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos