From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oa1-x2a.google.com (mail-oa1-x2a.google.com [IPv6:2001:4860:4864:20::2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EAC833B29E for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:19:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-oa1-x2a.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-29e5aedbebdso990806fac.0 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2024 10:19:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1734718770; x=1735323570; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=WagpK7e6CEj8P7v7CjZ/x9jI7AJH66rZ3J0+OOp/txo=; b=kvOxHns6rY7mdzl7CAIZDanv6BAsUSLb7C+wjsqBA1KPe6G0tb1fv6Y1N4lMRZgEuR uhb/DxSoXMQ6QDwxRiYhcm9AJe+dz5RjwH5v8Rd4aC6IvK6NMgaqlaET6Wr9FF+43DgJ m2T93KtpGrftEjcSXJ5wzemShYCc1MG1agbOLs2aVCjfQ4/m/yZyS/1/ttb+LXg5wTbE QBA63NO8Hnz9m6dWB2z4Ox+LG/PaaLQK6xLkfwB15eLpfh7sNPWIZ8qUsZWKhO3DNvVq 0sjeKgErG6oQU18mEZLFpHjK5Ud6vU4D63+5eXl+UUNn6Xxd9UE+eqlev/Bq4sW9fd4G x2Nw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1734718770; x=1735323570; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=WagpK7e6CEj8P7v7CjZ/x9jI7AJH66rZ3J0+OOp/txo=; b=wTgqy/ort7QAGKMzbjYCMudmEd0q7PWDu60v8GbnhRRhdHSuFu4tgsX9CDvQjLJ7Ld YcAo+rmJS3H9FD2ycSHc0f2//e1FvYeaYXXvmp1KczQgayM1Ny5dO2iC64HxZwXV9kXS EJflS0SqP3PZonYQ0auE4axXOo+Pxj0ol8stQ+IH/KGJbFJvVdISLoBojSQqoQ7sMx3L Nk22YbvdnPYW59eR0pBXZbBtw78xtCF/B0ZW4KtRW9iwj8EbQLifmh6k2gtWMBCXLKzj W+G+IYN7e7sKtl8qL5MIFJl/EZ+WezVqP+/hvZjfiJuNiwg84FeruJb3v+Og+TcDcyoc pNLw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YylCt+5CSO71umd6V86UHJBnp1upUauW+UuPcMqXvK/ACMclAK9 55UKHN5GTPVJ+LN6XRwDdQFimqardssyjPomfgbtD2DgmW4eIY1rAv+laTuyDrqtr1MvDQqYeLi wRJZw13HqDbCoQ5ZwrJZQ/coAC+OrWA== X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncuzczi7RjfsewyjbUsfECyf69AtoFCqUiI88S1saECF8a9/AxQJX3sP1+IfU6w USSa9oAuNbYHteus6pUpL9Xu4jWCaH5d2fZks08VGzyKHqg6sws7LzvbGYhE4NV1AurJu2OJG X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEiTAUwtjZJ895jLxlQy5RCDze+5MniUZ5SrOGCvQ1qECj9shpXRPaBWsfkCVcR0ocjSzrLpBoMp9t2pqy48JM= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6871:64c2:b0:29e:4985:fef with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-2a7fafd09f8mr2291733fac.3.1734718770282; Fri, 20 Dec 2024 10:19:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2024 10:19:18 -0800 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Starlink] ESA IRIS2 draft response X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2024 18:19:32 -0000 Thank you all for your comments and suggestions! I'm going to sleep on it til monday, and perhaps try to create a diagram or= two. On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 11:00=E2=80=AFAM Dave Taht wr= ote: > > We decided to file a request for clarification on their "bufferbloat" > RFP, if anyone would like to contribute, > an early draft is here. H/T to dave cb for helping drive it along. > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-9CB7r8Ks8CdYHPTKancLYWPfDPrJHMDsQ8Jt= XIXvEE/edit?usp=3Dsharing > > It's not due til 2/25/25, but I'd like to get it out this year. I > don't really know if we'll actually bid or not, and I just hit peak > pedant mode on both this and the NTIA bandwidth guidelines and need a > break. :( In particular I'd like to find examples of satcom > scheduling, to this day I have no idea how the request/grant (or > other) scheduling means are used at these rtts. My assumption for > starlink is that these assignments are coarse at the 15s level... > > -- > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos