From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oo1-xc34.google.com (mail-oo1-xc34.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::c34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C86423B29E for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2025 17:53:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-oo1-xc34.google.com with SMTP id 006d021491bc7-5f2d5b3c094so52170eaf.1 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2025 14:53:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1737586390; x=1738191190; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=A0/sNETkQ40m4RvGi6ujkmR+jRMif9oipww2AomxD+s=; b=L/+Aqe8VUnSj7ScxBvIcuLTdfGa+7fSuyYcUmR0MMlAvk+G3hcauhLDE/lIRhle/+e RFYOzu72iR8Gt/40Ho7jFluT9bpgdV6NkMGwPxB8GvlNOyDGj1FHKexiBbdL81Kp1qI1 CNpP3Q5ef4otDo5ttKMax7uNEg6fDUhv1kKFxIcgaV8JBMYqXoEulyktPFLp9rsgG/7V M6wIbMSFmIEwDeWl+fz3rBJY8pJyMHxBKYCuDuKF65VA5hyQzj8mcBiM3sQO7tKBIoSm t/us6NSKfPdhw20Vyv26klfCw7LzR8rTTasKmslcrh4QHs5F/vHtbeE1icDm2ucKMNtl hNdw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1737586390; x=1738191190; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=A0/sNETkQ40m4RvGi6ujkmR+jRMif9oipww2AomxD+s=; b=VBR/hRRNNgbfy1+83to7GKgBUsCJhXK68GsOf8hSZPjFF5eOmy4D1ax/bIMS+m/d/7 Ut9Wy7PBIlUBLQPtqaRNc0qHRgPAs6lUzM0U/Z+jB6DMC+PtTFVvanJFBFexgeJIH3Hp Cb/tvGECRrPHVtuw5wY//B1iyL78+cDDUBXqn2IqPceAY2UHWRBr6f2MH0w5YGtxgqd5 ovbEedYAixlfqPtZVoESKcdBqHSKyckcPVQe40pF14LVPvHJszWim9LfehlAkRq9eKWo MWe8UQjcYTaX+FSNRWjk/WlZqM3/Na9TO8s9PP3zC64dZn1X03/fM8QZ6dQnwLQsjpCi YlUQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxjdjfTZ7uj9hAoks4Mo10oZSJvXs9hvBwCPFliD6pCSlK86i2f PFA7renA4VMyOpJPIg+CxfneT9qYQs4JINqmogUL3uLwE3hdBhc2/vEVNBySQUkqttPgvxcJTwV bYMGJd2jz1x6JWfiJ+rvBE4l3cbY= X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncv+mM/cEJziah8dWH4m5Wpl8LlJC4aOw4Ih4hlF7m7f/SVOtPNCS4WNwuSItoY vaXJwD2MD0peR3S5C8nG1Y4j5VwRhqT/WTTmyoNEfRtOe2VGs1fIJpMTNSyJ3g5kmLVPi8F1O6g fejN7y1bEn X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEXIgcL9mVIddRMGl7Sr4HOSfb0EvWl/pCoqpBNAC5REKsXkqlmWzofs0/XpWqrABsi/uSufxBWjmQ7rgNVhJw= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:6b08:b0:297:27b5:4d30 with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-2b1c0915dbemr13799019fac.2.1737586389849; Wed, 22 Jan 2025 14:53:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <23793652-9a55-4976-a641-a614cb9f6c96@Spark> In-Reply-To: <23793652-9a55-4976-a641-a614cb9f6c96@Spark> From: Dave Taht Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2025 14:52:57 -0800 X-Gm-Features: AWEUYZkyNeKc28PmG7LmrN2aJ0-l--zy9jg2u6P2dj0WNcZVf51UYSz9iAiCt-Q Message-ID: To: Mike Puchol Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Starlink] I had forgotten how good this was X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2025 22:53:10 -0000 On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 11:36=E2=80=AFPM Mike Puchol via Starlink wrote: > > Thank you Dave! > > It has been a while since I wrote that piece, and so much has changed. I = have been really busy with work, and haven=E2=80=99t been able to implement= a lot of these changes into the starlink.sx tracker - I=E2=80=99m trying t= o put aside some time to update it. Perhaps someone here could help you out? > > The following I can think of: > > v2mini satellites are not modeled, and are now a great portion of the con= stellation. > Gateways now have Ka and E band capability, increasing backhaul capacity = considerably (5 GHz available on E band). I am under the impression that much of the rocky mountains - eastern USA can only be served by E and Ka and not Ku? > Several megasites have been constructed (32 gateway antennas per site). > Additional Ku beams are available on v2mini satellites. > ISL is a complete mesh now, with very few gaps. I keep wondering what tokoyo to london latency is via ISL. > DTC onboard newer v2mini satellites. > Reduced operational altitude on some shells, enabling more frequency re-u= se, and 3-4 dB better link margin. > New versions of the UT, with Mini being the equivalent of 802.11b Wi-Fi c= lients ruining the party for G/N clients by dragging down resources. I thought this would really hurt the constellation initially, but if you consider most of the time a dish is idle, not so much. > > > > Best, > > Mike > On Jan 14, 2025 at 14:24 -0800, Dave Taht via Starlink , wrote: > > https://mikepuchol.com/modeling-starlink-capacity-843b2387f501 > > It has a few challengeable assumptions now. > > -- > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos