From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pj1-x1029.google.com (mail-pj1-x1029.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1029]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 54ED13CB37; Fri, 10 Nov 2023 06:44:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-pj1-x1029.google.com with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-2801d7f46f9so1684882a91.3; Fri, 10 Nov 2023 03:44:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1699616676; x=1700221476; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=zvNFP67zSSdnrlg0DMOvPL86/PUtCqseDJ+A4KR9M9o=; b=O8vnwSweKeD8eBEHG29ZkZNU860z0ZLS+pu///mz6UnN8dvGIlmlHVF7E2ckevtL0y 2NMzJ0RL+8K9RSXuvwCwQlT4eBvRYkKsqUsHhaV94FzpF2Tb7v7yUoWbj1z4J1ZrlIBW efaqjIoIDI1EwNqi8Sj4BnAcKQwK2RNvIOKd7zh9VawzfQdbz7kbis98ScQfdBpHZX6o u5bRGLI+lWtYRlUg3QChqTYELrYFKUfdY8COv0VgvFg/n1NOxP8kyaE4rAvNV/Ie0wEY YEnUmGR1Gsie4b5m00aspJ+XrcxNMZKdx3JiLiJu6wbNJBD+eFy2uw7jYsSmqI0G6B2b lCvg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1699616676; x=1700221476; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=zvNFP67zSSdnrlg0DMOvPL86/PUtCqseDJ+A4KR9M9o=; b=rJ+qoSC8LTOCzxNqm+JPCKA4RzaPZTMxJfe1xBtovFGUnNtALr8Z+VxtSM7X9OQkZ/ pquvcn19Px9Wc99Gb15E1NF3W9FGLMzdDjC3Agpyf6+q/MfP6yqZkLPGMJIuoMIhouto MgcMpOJRp0O/dpymH4fSr19/s+47EvRoQryieoB0xDMfNW35kb74S9dUuT9FE4FG6KxR 6GgRKFupQsmj/A+V89MZhSbuaEwaxIUvfHoKJZtmhqp26X9UIpUFdYOtfBTHlnPji4Dm QJTGEAvWDzsVUFqGMYp8if3s8D0a2JG3SnxB6cdMfxdy4nmhUcmI5OgRbfaZR/zQNPnM 32HQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yy6p+grvRmxalz0NDlP2gP9CoTnXWVexRpY4EbVIyj/BrGqnUIF 2ypv94yKW0TivRn3gMz99VIQ7r1PF2YmSXDmCxeJh4JqvX4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFU7xYgL/IDuoqV0IWcne3yMsUyR7o63+OMHGOYHTxh3zOQw643EqdYrgAi/RcYhP1oVz6RaIHEnKfRXeRVXYc= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:4b8a:b0:27c:f8bd:9a98 with SMTP id lr10-20020a17090b4b8a00b0027cf8bd9a98mr3694762pjb.40.1699616675795; Fri, 10 Nov 2023 03:44:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Taht Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 06:44:23 -0500 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht via Starlink , =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspect?= =?UTF-8?Q?s_heard_this_time=21?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Starlink] one dish per household is silly. X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 11:44:37 -0000 My objection to steve song's analysis here: https://manypossibilities.net/2023/11/starlink-and-inequality/ A) Am I the only person left in the world that shares his wifi? A single dishy can easily serve dozens of people which lowers the cost per person enormously. Starlink has limited density per cell in the first place, so hanging a wired or wireless bridge off of it and covering a small town or merely multiple houses, not much of a problem. I know of refuge centers in the ukraine serving hundreds of people as one example. B) I keep seeing estimates of service life being 5 years, when at the moment I see it being 10 or more. --=20 Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.htm= l Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos