[Starlink] new subscribers to this list

[Starlink] new subscribers to this list

[Dave Täht]

There have been quite a few new subscribers to this mailing list
over the last few months. I'm comforted that at least some folk still
use email. Although other places like facebook and reddit are far more
popular to discuss starlink stuff, long form discussions in email
are still the primary means of communication for many of the older
denizens of the internet that are hanging out here.

We cracked 150 subscribers today!

Whilst my intent with founding this list was to somehow convince
starlink to deliver the first ISP network ever with good queuing latency,
based on the innovations the bufferbloat project had made starting in 2012,
I really enjoy the deep knowledge often displayed here about layers 2-9, and
the future of the internet in all its respects, the recent discussion 
of the problems the south pacific region has going forward being a 
wonderful example.

Ultimately quality internet access will be everywhere on earth,
and spread through the solar system, and it's fun to think about that.

It would be great if some of the new subscribers would introduce
themselves and their interests. 


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Re: [Starlink] new subscribers to this list

[Ricky Mok]

Thanks Dave for creating and managing this mailing list!

Ricky

On 4/21/22 11:36, Dave Täht wrote:
> There have been quite a few new subscribers to this mailing list
> over the last few months. I'm comforted that at least some folk still
> use email. Although other places like facebook and reddit are far more
> popular to discuss starlink stuff, long form discussions in email
> are still the primary means of communication for many of the older
> denizens of the internet that are hanging out here.
>
> We cracked 150 subscribers today!
>
> Whilst my intent with founding this list was to somehow convince
> starlink to deliver the first ISP network ever with good queuing latency,
> based on the innovations the bufferbloat project had made starting in 2012,
> I really enjoy the deep knowledge often displayed here about layers 2-9, and
> the future of the internet in all its respects, the recent discussion
> of the problems the south pacific region has going forward being a
> wonderful example.
>
> Ultimately quality internet access will be everywhere on earth,
> and spread through the solar system, and it's fun to think about that.
>
> It would be great if some of the new subscribers would introduce
> themselves and their interests.
>
>
> --
> Fixing the Internet on a too-tight budget: https://patreon.com/dtaht
> Dave Taht, Chief bottlewasher, TekLibre
>
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Re: [Starlink] new subscribers to this list

[Dave Taht]

On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 11:44 AM Ricky Mok <cskpmok@caida.org> wrote:
>
> Thanks Dave for creating and managing this mailing list!

and: thank *you* (and kc, dave clark, et al)  for this really
excellent paper on "jitterbug". Quality jitter metrics have long been
lacking on the internet.

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-98785-5_7

"We discovered a set of features in jitter and jitter dispersion —a
jitter-derived time series we define in this paper—time series that
are characteristic of periods of congestion. We leverage these
concepts to create a jitter-based congestion inference framework that
we call Jitterbug. We apply Jitterbug’s capabilities to a wide range
of traffic scenarios and discover that Jitterbug can correctly
identify both recurrent and one-off congestion events. We validate
Jitterbug inferences against state-of-the-art autocorrelation-based
inferences of recurrent congestion. We find that the two approaches
have strong congruity in their inferences, but Jitterbug holds promise
for detecting one-off as well as recurrent congestion."

It looks very promising. Is the code anywhere? Is the talk up?

... and where do you plan to go next with it? Are any other groups
beginning to leverage it?

> Ricky
>

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Re: [Starlink] new subscribers to this list

[Ricky Mok]

Yes. The video is here. 
https://catalog.caida.org/details/media/2022_jitterbug_pam/resources

The code is on GitHub (https://github.com/estcarisimo/jitterbug). I am 
happy to help if you want to try it on your dataset.

Applying the method to all the data that we have is an option, as it is 
computationally expensive to run. But we currently don't have a concrete 
next step for this project (the funding for this was gone). We barely 
keep the data (MANIC) collection going at this stage.

Ricky

On 4/21/22 12:07, Dave Taht wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 11:44 AM Ricky Mok <cskpmok@caida.org> wrote:
>> Thanks Dave for creating and managing this mailing list!
> and: thank *you* (and kc, dave clark, et al)  for this really
> excellent paper on "jitterbug". Quality jitter metrics have long been
> lacking on the internet.
>
> https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-98785-5_7
>
> "We discovered a set of features in jitter and jitter dispersion —a
> jitter-derived time series we define in this paper—time series that
> are characteristic of periods of congestion. We leverage these
> concepts to create a jitter-based congestion inference framework that
> we call Jitterbug. We apply Jitterbug’s capabilities to a wide range
> of traffic scenarios and discover that Jitterbug can correctly
> identify both recurrent and one-off congestion events. We validate
> Jitterbug inferences against state-of-the-art autocorrelation-based
> inferences of recurrent congestion. We find that the two approaches
> have strong congruity in their inferences, but Jitterbug holds promise
> for detecting one-off as well as recurrent congestion."
>
> It looks very promising. Is the code anywhere? Is the talk up?
>
> ... and where do you plan to go next with it? Are any other groups
> beginning to leverage it?
>
>> Ricky
>>