From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oi1-x234.google.com (mail-oi1-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB3EC3B2A4 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2024 11:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-oi1-x234.google.com with SMTP id 5614622812f47-3df0fc40271so3572521b6e.3 for ; Wed, 04 Sep 2024 08:03:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1725462184; x=1726066984; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=aItE9Cos9avO4F9a4fuQrK0xxpDs7ZWm8P2xx8mW91o=; b=AJuJ0hCha4GGs5I23YnOji2TlbGciip1xsyPZunPmVRJuFOoxr2z3GD+nH6FujDBeK iIvCkIUqrn/jcHjXYYUMxXyOEeHiBXT8HSQdSCaHzRzc4wAHZ02rjyxEur0ghwGC8SzU gFonLD/6cDB759gYAe5oHFEg4C1Ujw0a2KABGarrndAQ8q63GDjPUgb6ndIj/sjeYfCq Hfqzc6QErE1T+usUFifYQSuF8az6PRTvlnSRlBoTmO+Pi5qI9SDcYzEsGHpbH4re5RAh sSvDjUF6Ooi6jfFsgJUO4e0BKmPlwSQVMqzDDywiLdYXJqQg/YEOePbA1m3lAMAtoYGa IOkg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1725462184; x=1726066984; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=aItE9Cos9avO4F9a4fuQrK0xxpDs7ZWm8P2xx8mW91o=; b=GgMbPAE92KpWN0N8CYvjKVaUBeS1sHRPQ3kGEJSmYfVRMqtyIMJrtEIJt3LvCLCkYo P3rG1DfSbLEnTMPYXC4joAPeEqaghOdG/JOTO7FDWihat8i8YIWA2WhhTykUxFnKGCZD EsuO50h3UgzJn8TGtqc7A6Kwqljeab+JBjsAoyUy1IGyVc+AuoJQsIeqoS3tyXzkmaOH h5E0PveqGDjTKuOxs4Jw5UYQvWtVZrccMe2MlFCjJCZYLUbeYGquWr3vFsEHOy5z+bWS N7Hi7C49snUzJRFz3FguDG0vo7aAhJgpZCLZFWgMLsVSsMLugbMAyt+QkxN01O3pM0TS U7Jw== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCWlZp7lJSp2AQZ3vJUJuFh3avlaFMUk/92hBt2Bg8klbHwBw9E5WRr8B4EVf47lEFpeKejYqtqHGA==@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yz5uER9KVu8IwMV1e8i+FHLRhTq6tGzkUVc4WrO1tEE9lcouprR 3tFOa1Yke2K/l95kGeW83OQel5/f5MlN7OVX32IJgaDn32gFNZ79DzFUkJ30jFWdWLH/atvC1sv cfRMYoz0M8H2s1sOC0hNUV+Mhy/4b3A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHGzitfOXqdBefKn+Y7GvQG6sxbrlt9vV0uufUsdwtZayIl4WK16loNIGMY8eqb18ZAG1SaABG6VNHWq2cBbe8= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:144c:b0:3d9:da92:e654 with SMTP id 5614622812f47-3df05c34585mr28962089b6e.4.1725462183920; Wed, 04 Sep 2024 08:03:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9CAB5D0B-1E8F-4EB9-82E6-A807B011E9E0@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <9CAB5D0B-1E8F-4EB9-82E6-A807B011E9E0@gmx.de> From: Dave Cohen Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2024 11:02:58 -0400 Message-ID: To: Sebastian Moeller Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht?= , Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008bcd2b06214c789b" Subject: Re: [Starlink] lumen orbit X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2024 15:03:04 -0000 --0000000000008bcd2b06214c789b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable She's going to need a whole lot of glycol On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 11:01=E2=80=AFAM Sebastian Moeller via Starlink < starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > Mmmh, the white paper states only this sketch: > > > Orbital data centers can leverage lower cooling costs using passive > radiative cooling in space to directly achieve low coolant temperatures. > Perhaps most importantly, they can be scaled almost indefinitely without > the physical or permitting constraints faced on Earth, using modularity t= o > deploy them rapidly. All of this will have a net benefit on the environme= nt > - a recent study by the European Commission concluded that orbital data > centers will significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions from grid > electricity and eliminate fresh water usage for cooling.3 > > > No shit, Sherlock for the last sentence... I wonder what kind of stawman > design they envision for fresh water cooling in space ;) > > > > > > On 4. Sep 2024, at 16:48, Dave Taht via Starlink < > starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > > > They plan to build a 5GW 4k solar square for data centers in orbit, > launched on starship: > > > > https://www.lumenorbit.com/ > > > > How are they going to cool this thing? > > > > -- > > Artists/Musician Campout Aug 9-11 > > https://www.eventbrite.com/e/healing-arts-event-tickets-928910826287 > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos > > _______________________________________________ > > Starlink mailing list > > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > --=20 - Dave Cohen craetdave@gmail.com @dCoSays www.venicesunlight.com --0000000000008bcd2b06214c789b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
She's going to need a whole lot of glycol

On Wed, Sep 4= , 2024 at 11:01=E2=80=AFAM Sebastian Moeller via Starlink <starlink@lists.buffe= rbloat.net> wrote:
Mmmh, the white paper states only this sketch:


Orbital data centers can leverage lower cooling costs using passive radiati= ve cooling in space to directly achieve low coolant temperatures. Perhaps m= ost importantly, they can be scaled almost indefinitely without the physica= l or permitting constraints faced on Earth, using modularity to deploy them= rapidly. All of this will have a net benefit on the environment - a recent= study by the European Commission concluded that orbital data centers will = significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions from grid electricity and eli= minate fresh water usage for cooling.3


No shit, Sherlock for the last sentence... I wonder what kind of stawman de= sign they envision for fresh water cooling in space ;)




> On 4. Sep 2024, at 16:48, Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferblo= at.net> wrote:
>
> They plan to build a 5GW 4k solar square for data centers in orbit, la= unched on starship:
>
> https://www.lumenorbit.com/
>
> How are they going to cool this thing?
>
> --
> Artists/Musician Campout Aug 9-11
> https://www.eventbrite.com/= e/healing-arts-event-tickets-928910826287
> Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos
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