From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lj1-x22c.google.com (mail-lj1-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42DE83B2A4 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 13:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x22c.google.com with SMTP id m23so6794983lji.2 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 10:13:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cs.washington.edu; s=goo201206; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=SvoBG9JObGOB1K+qYk2xoR24rO+xNoNyqw2S1RB0A6I=; b=Poa13BUGnvnqef2pZW2D3JqGoqXKS1Psfu20SIJZRQh8UJPn2xfL0YQ4AVg6eb1CYM EkOQPIEh0spruem+LWQdCI6e81fRO6kLTi70EHxTfPIru9rJitX96pTN9vWY9BWvTpbi lzVu214cw58L0y0xzs4rPANrSvaVjD7MNRvmQ= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=SvoBG9JObGOB1K+qYk2xoR24rO+xNoNyqw2S1RB0A6I=; b=VBFSZFDj/0uPzLaT3X2PZJaN9psaiIGKk1E+Bo1L0/jXAfc+dyt7uU5DGcs6+HFmAa ftAvP3KmEkfaD8mUihTURGs8ETTcxyRo3RHp+iQe/P6bpnD7+LEzAIYRFMNRFWQFORo5 TJ2Uowfbs2FOfyUo97mof4DTvfS8Z6ANNMi4lEjho0irbeHTByoh4VT2jSQGg0GdSrac DOM8hsx9EGwaJvPaSisJu9vB3ixStgRVg5Wt00boGFr7lOlQwxk0S+mEFqsmElS7A65f 88n/ejYCuLY/Fp1nbxIZ39MRNspHxGzPoUUS6yJ7RjCMavaHABPzjgrIPdopr5kSUGR2 rv4g== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf2naTFgga7qJkS+XBHJSZHV3zRRA891ZOfS4d1McPNGcUc0fksk OIOSTvOrVftNTjGBAXrYxh+qmIQvX3BXKZVoc4X2Tw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM4swniQ/shoNQvi2gTMo9GbhXkSSOGyklh4nWlfyTeKXwMuaEAYanCyhl43wQU8Y1dX/QHr4ajWiDXGDHgMty4= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:8758:0:b0:26e:2dab:d4d2 with SMTP id q24-20020a2e8758000000b0026e2dabd4d2mr2320121ljj.297.1665767636962; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 10:13:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8735bqpq1r.wl-jch@irif.fr> <38522124-6d3b-4ac8-bb20-92bfa35dc9fe@Spark> <87tu46o8e3.wl-jch@irif.fr> <3ea89257-d5f8-4fa9-a90a-c73d49d2a9e2@Spark> <87r0zao0f0.wl-jch@irif.fr> In-Reply-To: <87r0zao0f0.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Kurtis Heimerl Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2022 10:13:23 -0700 Message-ID: To: Juliusz Chroboczek Cc: Mike Puchol , Starlink list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink no longer available to the Ukrainian army? X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2022 17:13:58 -0000 This thread (https://twitter.com/dim0kq/status/1580827171903635456) strongly argues that Starlink is largely paid for their service, at least on the consumer side. I imagine there are significant operational expenses in dealing with the various actors involved but not on the basic model. On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 9:06 AM Juliusz Chroboczek via Starlink wrote: > > > In essence, once you give something away for free, not even setting the > > expectation that it=E2=80=99s a =E2=80=9Cfreemium=E2=80=9D model, it=E2= =80=99s very hard to get out of it. If > > you then claim your costs are way higher than what analysis work out, e= yebrows > > raise way above the hairline. > > Uh. Hmm. > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink