From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-vk1-xa29.google.com (mail-vk1-xa29.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::a29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 922523B29D for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2025 20:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-vk1-xa29.google.com with SMTP id 71dfb90a1353d-51eb1a714bfso4990454e0c.3 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:05:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1742256304; x=1742861104; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=LB+peubnyNjVVHhflAXCk682VFQXKrFOUz4IyOyeaFk=; b=hjf2yj8aszSfOUoYvSudS/aKad1BGHUmlJCy2hB+dOiOo5nVvKwHql8JKA1mlM7nx5 G8bS43ShhfnUMLX5AyAKMU5kZ0af16vs4VsuwK2SGul6Uqxsfx2NDutvEM/bu0nLUpnn 6TqMRSAen21K7o6PpYkP3zl91+jSDHeIaTx1NceJ36vaqHyAGWNQ5A5uo4OnK1E9umlZ ZStEvw79gymguespPzLS6Z4+y84RSMMtx2sXsO3oqgv0vvu7zv6PhqXJBg6yEtcHD3EG OtmTfPUl3JRUQc4BVgXTQTegXSMM26upA8sLhg5euiyH2tpyIhGrbr3IVWcpX03aFMod H0Vg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1742256304; x=1742861104; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=LB+peubnyNjVVHhflAXCk682VFQXKrFOUz4IyOyeaFk=; b=Z/LFBzbb43gkc3aqfOLb+QFTg9/1zeIhhOa8+M8cydGyWE62835rG2Z3TgGf35glDB 9y57oDsKTCzVpj3CnognGhcop1YkwZ5h0q3whCnChSParffiJDad9bZobNlQW0VhX6CP gIkXSG8dayJv1geCSy7UdZ7hjF3Yd95bZtTMqL9nBbzC8AHv+XyXOdll83JGGPH9nD8b p+9A7c1fZKBlQhbKu6QYBW4nPoTRyiSTRLnHKIuz99uft5nSKkb1czA+M8uVjOlKzrYe Zh0btWLMnkwjH2EGseSfqVREBqEHYxa4/rm7NM+r/SPlUjdbURfy6I18L5Dz/8AeSVo6 n+gw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwwYgiClEhn3YjvPRYG0uUxkP/HCmNt75a2Tel5BAHcK7DMABmK Vhx044/NFDGIqSclyBxkokDxrrl3F7NRFb6h9O8au9pkEwIZWlGZzI8MKcGqRXr6Fju+LWonqlh FpudZwX5sDtZ3zOeK6cAbgtiyuhqP0cWk X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncsJ4y/EOYw/S2RkOBN8WSkvaFo9Fle4QCXMMhbcyiDGtF7DAeHhzFc6EvND+O4 jtqqaAhbXDoWyoM7TcthMjnb6OzEt4GdhQQzBjYQvbvihKuPiT58uWrRCD6Eoei0PxVZZTBrzti ThnjqPIsvbcXRKgstzb4oc+9A70UIhkslm/z7ZJg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGN7W7wX84+ruMeVN3sFARriJvtKxItJqqTUaF3SvMlcwvapq/WgK42f/mA+SbA0uZbVAUf3AvUGkr22PftyMg= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6122:378d:b0:51d:e9c0:e607 with SMTP id 71dfb90a1353d-52480deaeacmr2426424e0c.4.1742256303951; Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:05:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Eric Kuhnke Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:04:52 -0700 X-Gm-Features: AQ5f1JpByKdUEY7KJBNmJLFJdItXzi8u-7hFiSlEV_oVP2LQi6gVL__EP3c_s6o Message-ID: To: Brandon Butterworth Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001adee4063092a850" Subject: Re: [Starlink] Alphabet spins off Starlink competitor Taara X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2025 00:05:04 -0000 --0000000000001adee4063092a850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are promising advancements in outdoor 802.11ay based 60 GHz equipment (particularly the ones that can use the very top end of the 60 GHz band, directly underneath 71 GHz, which is less affected by rain and atmosphere than the rest of it). However, the stuff from Ubiquiti has been buggy and troublesome to put it in the mildest and most polite terms possible. Not something I would trust for production traffic. On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 4:54=E2=80=AFPM Brandon Butterworth wrote: > On 17/03/2025 23:45:16, "Eric Kuhnke via Starlink" > wrote: > >This is not in any way a competitor for starlink. This is a competitor > for V-band (60 GHz) and E-Band (71-86 GHz) point to point bridge radio > systems. > > Those are getting cheap, and especially cheap V band a lot better > in range, speed, and reliability. > > Maybe the free space optics have got a lot better too, they > used to unreliable due to atmospherics. Heat haze from roads > plagued the ones we had. > > brandon > > --0000000000001adee4063092a850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There are promising advancements in outdoor 802.11ay = based 60 GHz equipment (particularly the ones that can use the very top end= of the 60 GHz band, directly underneath 71 GHz, which is less affected by = rain and atmosphere than the rest of it). However, the stuff from Ubiquiti = has been buggy and troublesome to put it in the mildest and most polite ter= ms possible. Not something I would trust for production traffic.
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<= div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 4:54=E2=80=AFP= M Brandon Butterworth <brandon-= ml@bogons.net> wrote:
On 17/03/2025 23:45:16, "Eric Kuhnke via Starlink" <= br> <sta= rlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>This is not in any way a competitor for starlink. This is a competitor = for V-band (60 GHz) and E-Band (71-86 GHz) point to point bridge radio syst= ems.

Those are getting cheap, and especially cheap V band a lot better
in range, speed, and reliability.

Maybe the free space optics have got a lot better too, they
used to unreliable due to atmospherics. Heat haze from roads
plagued the ones we had.

brandon

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