From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oo1-xc29.google.com (mail-oo1-xc29.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::c29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E9B73B29E for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2023 08:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-oo1-xc29.google.com with SMTP id 006d021491bc7-5739972accdso2743726eaf.1 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2023 05:29:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1695472177; x=1696076977; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=LnNpgHOy7SSAEsJrzNYJ9jqx92V+nyDcy/zIqrYbhNo=; b=cdJbK2uNaIW5F5s8Oc5lTN8Y3tbv+Wmb3YwaRDHVZo7TH7HInQ3cGvNZaskqB0mwpr ZgyF73IWclLuBCSvqaSIPuabApTlTk+eUay1MB4fcXmW3foS49T1SBZ0osDMxdsg9ib9 8YikqYneXlzf/W16ndVCOmUDnN3a5MiO558SpbIaW0kDup7sFmJNPDTgBS28WCDI15DI YkPAf9kaeAIsBcjz7jK2i/oc0UX/oplY2ONDt5SMHbrH3kjrL60f8iy2ogy8aHlGEzQd hR32bJvJBUqLlYoSZLluJhCPiB9pGyxtQFIMn1XoLqJC+Rz8wAqyrc4sW36jYYLuJfIt qwbA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1695472177; x=1696076977; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=LnNpgHOy7SSAEsJrzNYJ9jqx92V+nyDcy/zIqrYbhNo=; b=WpamWmJfuWCrh2n4Komfsu7BoCfMJxteSbp309Kt+gyYjk6ossQPkA6LwrXrwOHL+f kaaPa9YanagCZ9LfYLEEJcC52GhG4QOeMP9fmEfQTvSRxNmCCuZIl8YDpQK09F4KNCYA IR3aTNONBEBO20eyw3IcoVn8amjRZk3MGkYYuo6dKu5chIUAD0r6vx7LB/WPY/QU0+31 hBHpLT1D5uI5pQ9UBru+p8VdpJXN+ds55NG+DLwIo8Y/43eEAv4gqgH69pKn2s1hob9T LMD9iauWfTTqoRcCBh3RzVqB9pLjLeLXH/TcqrXBjt8CnJrabTCzZzpYG515dk5Uky+w 5pJg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxJ93mTs0RzajqUnfK0jCqWUN2vYIdG5BJBRoPBdyOmGGNwqsws 5KPdH+WzTaEG3oib6yoNK73bZEBn0XkoG3BYvhg/5y5TeMg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFA/KAp7QpzMUIezVZWcoV+SXLz3x8Di5KYgduwpTAv3e/d3ILy5717fZKGhd6fInHz2vrequcGW0iGp+YVlWU= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:2391:b0:1a6:cfcc:befd with SMTP id e17-20020a056870239100b001a6cfccbefdmr1360376oap.5.1695472177366; Sat, 23 Sep 2023 05:29:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:6358:998a:b0:143:54ad:58e5 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Sep 2023 05:29:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: =?UTF-8?Q?David_Fern=C3=A1ndez?= Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2023 14:29:37 +0200 Message-ID: To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink Digest, Vol 30, Issue 38 X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2023 12:29:38 -0000 "QUIC seems an interesting project, and I guess only the decades ahead of us will tell of it becomes a raging success." QUIC is the transport protocol for HTTP/3, which may or may not completely replace HTTP/2 and HTTP/1.x, eventually. It certainly has performance advantages (lower latency loading websites), although some argue that users are not really aware of the difference. Here you can monitor the march or QUIC and HTTP/3 on websites worldwide: https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/ce-http3 When I started to check this a couple of years ago, it was 5-6%, now is 26% and growing slowly but steadily. IMHO, one of the coolest things of QUIC is the connection migration feature: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DlMI_3MOxnWarvEVfzKxFqmD7c-u1cYG/view?pli=1 Regards, David > Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2023 14:22:58 +1000 > From: Noel Butler > To: Vint Cerf > Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > Subject: Re: [Starlink] APNIC56 last week > Message-ID: <83e9b47895d019d282e21bbdd4f4cc57@ausics.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > Hi Vint, > > On 23/09/2023 11:47, Vint Cerf wrote: > >> Noel, IPv4 is only managing to work because it is NATted - going to >> IPv6 let's us get back to point-to-point in either direction including >> rendezvous. >> The present IPv4 situation is NOT good - people are paying $35-50 per >> IPv4 address to acquire or even to lease them. For all practical >> purposes, IPv4 has run out. >> >> vint > > Oh I agree it's not a good situation, but my point was it's still most > dominant 30 years after they claimed we had about 5 years, it's like the > little boy who cried wolf, if they held off the hysterics until it was > proved imminent, I've no doubt the update would be greater and taken > more seriously (I've used IPv6 for over 10 years myself), but the global > low uptake is what causes ISP's and Telco's to use CGNAT, its free and > plentiful, so it still wont be laid to rest for a while yet. > > IPv6 is only 4% of traffic that hits my Mail Servers, it's less than 1% > on my Web servers. > > Just like TCP, it wont be going anywhere, not quietly, and if it were > to, likely be long after I'm gone, QUIC seems an interesting project, > and I guess only the decades ahead of us will tell of it becomes a > raging success. > > Cheers