From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-il1-x129.google.com (mail-il1-x129.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD1893CB47 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2023 12:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-il1-x129.google.com with SMTP id e9e14a558f8ab-3512740906dso38935625ab.0 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2023 09:26:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1696004797; x=1696609597; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=td/hCJCRzXjodtDSk2sDTGS6LeBR+beZr7Ll7Bq8Pk4=; b=Oyom68PWz5vYhE2sJmzpwjdgrGwnQRR/ZCZp6+1BN3qTuQ3lQQ8nJLKrUzXcXPCfJA mx3+kJgBCF7c88dGPtwufQEhEiirv8ZOpMkfWRJVlLe4g2jy9lH8mtlNQOd2nzv/fjKV BZKi529DLp9ohxci4e+HEGg9I40KT5VugI4DvlYkuqY1Zf9tseJOFgUVDOKCD9lEkXyY k8VeOwXp6URoYhhaYGupu1AIjjEUtTR0YdFCODwzwidn3FDx2PFrT2t2Q5luGlmXOCpL A56M6+d2igYXh3ca47IyXpz6OOcqd3uwYf897DwgRo8QWkkncViLTTH8Eeh5hGlIms+T 9NNg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1696004797; x=1696609597; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=td/hCJCRzXjodtDSk2sDTGS6LeBR+beZr7Ll7Bq8Pk4=; b=AFoHtw9wSdPFbx2lqdr1icrz86T7zbVsmnBdt42BIp/CMd/qe6xzAfxawtSqshxM9C TAj3A9UGWL+ektA7+TY+dD3/IQvnCrQ0WNIBFKLc3w3FxiZYGrfbON7VIaKyTCfjwgeZ x42ufObwYSebBISo8JE5shDohj2TBPhDHy1XSZJ4q95wBgonjjRbUwB1ggdtCBGba3IK c+KhZwsE1tsxU9xx/vS/2s0jLXjBb7Mps2/LF5Qt2dhKL0EtIPYoAh4E7uVL+4E77yJV MQcrr/tdrhF7EutOfoiyLC7Bckgd57AfB2tDdHjMFWUXe6nVZInlEaQnY9FzyTL/zn01 kuhQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwmeomKGJwH+nkhwJWyveKFXpZqfDFUPYTpWOJhX9K+I1Cq7VAg xg1UajfXucgpiw9MYiwbiS89MNAk8T+S3LMXGoy3v9UzCXJKJA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEL6FRwbXJJ9ARYKIyQ/g5CAa1EtlyR/gp1l7x5mt81n7YQy/nFsp6j5tcaX5XwWekUmGXf87pEGifrDetRCrk= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6e02:b29:b0:34c:e16d:6793 with SMTP id e9-20020a056e020b2900b0034ce16d6793mr5420945ilu.14.1696004797019; Fri, 29 Sep 2023 09:26:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ac0:e387:0:b0:2ee:c9fb:c4fc with HTTP; Fri, 29 Sep 2023 09:26:36 -0700 (PDT) From: =?UTF-8?Q?David_Fern=C3=A1ndez?= Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 18:26:36 +0200 Message-ID: To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [Starlink] [Rpm] [Bloat] [LibreQoS] net neutrality back in the news X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 16:26:37 -0000 Mobile phone operators are monetizing metadata, as the issue with the Apple Private Relay generating their complaints made evident. The 5G has a network function for that: NWDAF > Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 08:28:00 -0400 > From: Rich Brown > To: Jonathan Morton > Cc: David Lang , Rpm , dan > , Jamal Hadi Salim , libreqos > , Dave Taht via Starlink > , "Livingood, Jason" > , bloat > Subject: Re: [Starlink] [Rpm] [Bloat] [LibreQoS] net neutrality back > in the news > Message-ID: <039490DA-48A7-4AE2-B00F-AA2A260FB747@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Thank you Jonathan for this clear description of the issues and their > history. I wonder if there's a fourth one - privacy. > > Rosenworcel's talk https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-397257A1.pdf > also points out that ISPs might want to monetize our traffic patterns and > location data. (This is less of an issue in the EU, but the US remains a > Wild West in this regard.) > > I am hopeful that the FCC will include this in their NPRM (which must be > available by now but I haven't looked...) > > - Rich Brown