From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oo1-xc35.google.com (mail-oo1-xc35.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::c35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C6BE3B29D for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2023 13:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-oo1-xc35.google.com with SMTP id 006d021491bc7-57358a689d2so1322659eaf.2 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2023 10:00:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1695402033; x=1696006833; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=8ujOLd7aZucDTDwploX7YNrb4En8Kd6Ayh+LjYhiM1Y=; b=GVtlSGs4/u7/L26TMP1o+EUjhz4W6RNMMKZLLx+b/E9IA29f5Pe2fKYAz7UWek64Wq Rp6vph6Wl21T5IsHWwmOZGAq7rtR+iLya3+IBUXrmP2AJbgdiPTbBaola6MumZwWOpzv Z14qZFVyMx5iDpfdte9Nobp6gv+AEygkZoXjk2hhZQrwhjVctj75n0nLc/hPn+dsfnXL mpBbFinRp5vOvIFqXA9Y/sCBzrCaAv66eCczVPnJ8xvQQpaD3JDkRVAFR+KGyiluHH4m D6amLxFCh0WFD5w+6Ei7BKEGmRjodSe+rw9B1r8G5l7/qLjeoZ9RyaWpfE5VVRQx4in4 vUqA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1695402033; x=1696006833; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=8ujOLd7aZucDTDwploX7YNrb4En8Kd6Ayh+LjYhiM1Y=; b=v90M06iIzv1zu0ns6b7VggQO4hsoS9tyg/FlK6gmBZl6VAzwpZH6xDnlJHdVbp1h9b q4grxJO6rbMxzGg6kw4+YZCMHJOAqbR4GShKvX4rOfF2Lk65PnYQuWUcyeyS2lZnc69Z 0E35ja0EHojlkDA/nYyWURK220ZT2xgwqjLL26IMM/uzQpzFMea8aRHtNZ8ff8VjWLPk vZFkcA34cKhpSEumopnDS679BUTYjExd07aQ5qnAsa26aRjRBSFgV3RWaMZoYnOxh3yq E8BpG0/aoYfmrNqulOJvfT119cjVxcLOBLqqyjaJPDXdh7mlHf+WJ6NFrPTLsgoTIMGB XzlQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxfStFt3wz7S4EBswAAR2NeZCOeLLICrZsJUFTFkVjDYKdA4BVr xLejBl3qJy/brXpYcqvyshrjh22x+cssCFqXxl+NgxiDIyWzGQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHJOqOY6MzCsbl76xAkwG7rxiTzL3Hx3S4vhsvdHp9yV8NbmAnEXQ/YKtl67k2IyOLcXrDTtEkX65qOuo204uc= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:5b92:b0:1d6:5a39:5ffb with SMTP id em18-20020a0568705b9200b001d65a395ffbmr32398oab.20.1695402033223; Fri, 22 Sep 2023 10:00:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:6358:998a:b0:143:54ad:58e5 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Sep 2023 10:00:32 -0700 (PDT) From: =?UTF-8?Q?David_Fern=C3=A1ndez?= Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2023 19:00:32 +0200 Message-ID: To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [Starlink] APNIC56 last week X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2023 17:00:34 -0000 Hi David, Mike said each satellite has 3 ISL, two connecting to the satellites in front and back in the same orbital plane, then a third one that can point anywhere (almost): https://lists.bufferbloat.net/pipermail/starlink/2022-September/001000.html?fbclid=IwAR0TaPTdxVEp5iVWxch91mjnDT7aKVaOXPmyOd93PBING29YBWy9SNbV278 Regards, David > Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2023 01:41:16 -0700 (PDT) > From: David Lang > To: Alexandre Petrescu > Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > Subject: Re: [Starlink] APNIC56 last week > Message-ID: <1oor055r-p02p-3o25-9056-p257s819q308@ynat.uz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > I believe that I read that STarlink has 5 lasers per sat. but whatever the > number, it's a tiny number compared to the number of satellites that they > have > up there. > > As you are looking at 'trains', check their altitude. They aren't going to > shuffle sats around much, it's expensive in terms of fuel and they are only > allowed to provide service when they are in their proper orbits. > > We know the lasers are in operation as they are providing service to places > more > than one sat hop away from ground stations. We also know they have a lot of > ground stations around to share the load. > > We have almost no details on the specific modules they are using, and none > on > what routing they are using. > > David Lang