From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lj1-x22b.google.com (mail-lj1-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A4E23CB37 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2024 03:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x22b.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2ea8fff1486so16545871fa.1 for ; Fri, 07 Jun 2024 00:37:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1717745846; x=1718350646; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=mtS4v0GCmsNz5CeXLMysB2jYoh2k9YFN4ZyesPaIPIg=; b=Jjaf6PTCZodbAFEVtgRsBzWr0YOIcIqYVQV9oGOR7ePJ6n0qlDP5IpbbLvuxU3WKBo vb77nCMUawJfd1FUwdFpwZBoesThc76OSGRbgRJXOdQJkAHvQH+DekIhrwzQqTccWebs VS4SOWQPauXBbF4lQO92ktZYHhGMO68PYEeclD+xYFzMZzy3gSeFKBxGXI5oMgB7NExt obi5uNHWw0XzMIBDCSnld0Yab6Nslg68iN67gNtpELSkAlB53h2aRTTm4mYOxm36kgMz xk0KiIW3gPw6lPxKuLCQLYpu/PpS6Qu2VubrIl+HIKkXu+Vk5b3pCr+XyglJ5F7QMCab QYbA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1717745846; x=1718350646; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=mtS4v0GCmsNz5CeXLMysB2jYoh2k9YFN4ZyesPaIPIg=; b=lMM8aG9vealFSsPCADtxghW3KAynNAV+/DkyiAJwDzECH9UuYtwVL7A9A0i3NojTOt JHKQsoqCrgdup0MrAhwXlR880Dxlk1TFzbWazLAv/dvsm9bcp8AoFozLFrpahMP8g/YV W0BYsvu4Up6BPcNRcpjiJVIzFCd9OJDvCyIymfIACy2KCPwnDKtTG4N3cg0ebje3uYxV x5XllNJSKyAxjRp+d2URDUIx6NMD15GcHSaV+BiAh50+r2CHLXAHH0G6iS1zDEO3i3L0 ASBroDMBAvDaNZnc/7Qt1mjXaeyUsTtfp4xc+DaKVNJUPyHpA8Ti//BuIgyHHY/unR7s GekQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzCp4CEolAgzm8bCqxILYu76zJ0a0qToq7yRw1nGhabNnuEzDEn 9D1NEPbrb+ZmSGJoKYgsvF+SDauifMR9vbRhVTZM90z+BsujMq/w3nqK0vKqUs8O0iJ9/GtSdl9 7hJwZ24zXAaAf1oTNhda54+0UCOZGjkz4X/0ltg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFzJYrxjUSL990LZtgadHyeMl+YwsPk+29svqWG9pa0mIde2ekPhkKCJVIAOtE2Br7mpvFy/T85axp9YmImcWA= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9c05:0:b0:2ea:b0bc:959d with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2ead01f9d40mr13429941fa.21.1717745845457; Fri, 07 Jun 2024 00:37:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?UTF-8?Q?David_Fern=C3=A1ndez?= Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2024 09:36:49 +0200 Message-ID: To: starlink Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000eedbc3061a47de74" Subject: Re: [Starlink] The "reasons" that bufferbloat isn't a problem X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2024 07:37:28 -0000 --000000000000eedbc3061a47de74 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" ADSL is a technology that is disappearing, but I have just remembered that some ISPs were allowing gamers to disable the interleaving, to reduce the measured RTT, despite having more packet losses, then. I remember getting that option years ago by Jazztel ISP in Spain (now Orange). You could just go to the web interface of the ADSL router and enable/disable the interleaving, depending on whether you want to play a game online (or make a videoconference) or you are watching a movie or a football match... Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2024 18:39:54 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lang To: Michael Richardson Cc: starlink Subject: Re: [Starlink] The "reasons" that bufferbloat isn't a problem Message-ID: <600nn7nn-27os-r792-r2r5-6sp7565p2617@ynat.uz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Michael Richardson wrote: > And gamers seem to know good quality, it's somewhat easy to test and gamers > aren't afraid to demand it, changing ISPs if they have to. If they have the option to you mean. David Lang --000000000000eedbc3061a47de74 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ADSL is a technology that is disappearing, but I have= just remembered that some ISPs were allowing gamers to disable the interle= aving, to reduce the measured RTT, despite having more packet losses, then.=

I remember getting that option years ago by Jazzt= el ISP in Spain (now Orange). You could just go to the web interface of the= ADSL router and enable/disable the interleaving, depending on whether you = want to play a game online (or make a videoconference) or you are watching = a movie or a football match...

Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2024 18:39:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Lang <dav= id@lang.hm>
To: Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca>
Cc: starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Starlink] The "reasons" that bufferbloat isn't = a problem
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Michael Richardson wrote:

> And gamers seem to know good quality, it's somewhat easy to test a= nd gamers
> aren't afraid to demand it, changing ISPs if they have to.

If they have the option to you mean.

David Lang

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