From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oi1-x231.google.com (mail-oi1-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E28D3CB37 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2023 12:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-oi1-x231.google.com with SMTP id w19so3464240oiv.13 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2023 09:07:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; t=1681142865; x=1683734865; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=/tit8RLF1YjJWZOSAlx7uDKUTe3/oPrwlFAhlVT0M9k=; b=ijLiweOg0SLdYSkwwZwA8WV1MigIgtz15uoOFm9EQKrCTf+8XGeuz92BAehBftwxC0 306pDDgAwWcpkdLX/SvZvTof7/QLUfJ00uiMU2QwegAdz04WWvm78y6jLF2JnwXOc4sF AdmBQh6QlQZzMTYUk6AaZkBOLcETH1LNkHhq6EhG3GC7JmH0mMZZ6tyc0Qm+BBTwNvmf cpkof3FU3pcsX9hCJoutTAyixvvFSO8+PdWm25mOifQHxE8muK+BiYsPfS0h+vnY3rbK SxHDA7G30usMdaOvxmwRJEwExjMdauIAmoCv1OmhQEMWWDtsfwTpbi8rt36733/ZsDzN ckuw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1681142865; x=1683734865; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=/tit8RLF1YjJWZOSAlx7uDKUTe3/oPrwlFAhlVT0M9k=; b=EQeAtaaienwaY2qQTD00eINQk9NQfUJgUUYX4heGvu9lmjNB3D24RDXgUdI8w16xzy HlcvQjrq6pvfbjLL8I2kSdXgc6vNpDyGAMKUZqCcJfBbKwzfd5rLVJALuJjKeHoRucUO otlHvs0TpROex4DdQXO5WWck8XTlzvyGOtClkrNJeusrvpMRt4M1LHw0ZK/ddFoJ+20s Sm07XajIlwMTsDCHIGbezHn5qRMJ4T6luJApnC+FxtsuBK1wZYybjQRkXQpkd7GURSRo iI9KpDiwdyAu4Y0hOpIrKiIRo7gYWuOIMSzC/AIy9Nlsb+sigKN3TpBR8hfF29PdLlCp e38Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9fekhljEGazi5EdV78AC12svmbcVRkwhaHW/q8X8j8z+06wNcg8 efULpYR6ezSdmtSb+x3XUaSUF4fcY/+gCpdZfPkjsj0fc+YHRQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350Yd4yWaore+rt50ZQeUNbtl+bvsrFVPmGnLul9wOKFz5mTKkQ7NPsQ0Ot3dvtcZ6RbGmK89j4IbSlrRZkdzBkM= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:de0:b0:386:96b9:e19d with SMTP id g32-20020a0568080de000b0038696b9e19dmr2062318oic.1.1681142864046; Mon, 10 Apr 2023 09:07:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:6358:41a5:b0:112:aa6f:321f with HTTP; Mon, 10 Apr 2023 09:07:43 -0700 (PDT) From: =?UTF-8?Q?David_Fern=C3=A1ndez?= Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2023 18:07:43 +0200 Message-ID: To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Starlink] apnic piece on starlink X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2023 16:07:46 -0000 60+ only? Maybe it is this what you are remembering: 437 pages https://storage.googleapis.com/x-prod.appspot.com/files/The%20Loon%20Librar= y.pdf Do you remember Solar Impulse 2 travel around the world? It had to stop and land every five days or so. This is the evolution: Skydweller https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9865021/US-Navy-developing-= pilotlesss-solar-powered-plane-fly-90-days-straight.html The total footprint of a satellite coverage consists of multiple spot beams with typical diameters ranging from 200-1000 km in GEO deployments, 100-500 km in LEO deployments and 4 =E2=80=93 200 Km for HAPS deployment. Regards, David > Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2023 12:38:38 -0700 > From: Dave Taht > To: Hesham ElBakoury > Cc: Michael Richardson , Dave Taht via Starlink > , George Michaelson > Subject: Re: [Starlink] apnic piece on starlink > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" > > On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 12:07=E2=80=AFPM Hesham ElBakoury via Starlink > wrote: >> >> >> Google Spinoff Aalyira salvaged Project Loon technology for US military. >> >> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/09/google-spinoff-aalyria-salvages-= project-loon-technology-for-the-us-military/amp >> >> Hesham > > I did not know that. Loon did one of the greatest post-mortems of any > project I had ever read, 60+ pages long, and I cannot find it now. > > > (I love having you all on this list!) >> >> On Sat, Apr 8, 2023, 11:37 AM Michael Richardson via Starlink >> wrote: >>> >>> David Lang via Starlink wrote: >>> > Google shuttered project Loon (balloons to do this rather than >>> UAVs) in >>> > the last year or two >>> >>> I heard that too, but also that some external entity then put up some >>> money >>> and partnered to start it up again. >>> >>> _______________________________________________