Re: [Starlink] Main hurdles against the Integration of Satellites and Terrestial Networks

["David Fernández" <davidfdzp@gmail.com>]

The use of MPTCP on satellite links has been analyzed here (for
example) and the use of PEPs in GEO satellite links prevent the use of
MPTCP:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/materials/slides-106-mptcp-mptcp-satellite-01#page=13&zoom=auto,-91,32

Another option could be MPQUIC (still in development AFAIK),

I have been told in the past that a tighter integration of satellite
and terrestrial networks is required mainly for business purposes
(billing).

Regards,

David

> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2023 17:51:37 +0100
> From: Inemesit Affia <inemesitaffia@gmail.com>
> To: Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>
> Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Main hurdles against the Integration of
> 	Satellites and Terrestial Networks
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> With the existence of solutions like OpenMTCProuter, SDWAN, policy based
> routing or any solution in general that allows combination in a sense of
> any number of IP links, I really don't see a point for specific solutions.
> Can anyone enlighten me?
>
> For home users an issue may be IP blocks for certain services like Netflix
> when the egress is out of a VPN or cloud provider richer than a residential
> provider
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2023, 2:57 PM Alexandre Petrescu via Starlink <
> starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Le 30/08/2023 à 14:10, Hesham ElBakoury via Starlink a écrit :
>> > Here is a report which summarizes the outcome of the last Satellites
>> > conference
>> > [
>> https://www.microwavejournal.com/articles/39841-satellite-2023-summary-linking-up
>> ]
>> >
>> > The report highlights the two main hurdles against the integration of
>> > satellites and terrestrial networks: standardization and business model.
>> >
>> > "/Most of the pushback against closer integration of terrestrial
>> > wireless and satellite networks revolved around standardization. This
>> > may just be growing pains and it likely reflects the relative
>> > positions of wireless and satellite along the maturity curve, but some
>> > of the speakers were arguing against standardization. The basis of
>> > this argument was that the mobile industry only understands standards,
>> > but the satellite industry is currently differentiating based on
>> > custom systems and capabilities. The feeling was that the satellite
>> > industry had focused on technology and not regulations or standards
>> > and changing that course would not be helpful to the industry in the
>> > short term. Timing is important in this analysis because almost
>> > everyone agreed that at some point, standardization would be a good
>> > thing, but the concern was the best way to get to the point in the
>> > future. The other interesting argument against closer integration
>> > between wireless and satellite had to do with the business model.
>> > Several speakers questioned where the customers would go as
>> > terrestrial and non-terrestrial networks become more integrated. The
>> > underlying issues seemed to include who is responsible for solving
>> > network issues and perhaps more importantly, who recognizes the
>> > revenue. These issues seem, perhaps a bit simplistically, to be
>> > similar to early wireless roaming issues. While these issues created
>> > turbulence in the wireless market, they were solved and that is
>> > probably a template to address these challenges for the wireless and
>> > satellite operators."/
>> > /
>> > /
>> > Comments?
>>
>>
>> It is an interesting report.
>>
>> For standardisation standpoint, it seems SDOs do push towards
>> integration of 5G/6G and satcom; there are strong initiatives at least
>> at 3GPP (NTN WI proposals) and IETF (TVR WG) in that direction.  But
>> these are SDOs traditionally oriented to land communications, rather
>> than space satcom.
>>
>> I wonder whether space satcom traditional SDOs (which ones?) have
>> initiated work towards integration with 5G/6G and other land-based
>> Internet?
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> >
>> > Hesham
>> >