From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oo1-xc32.google.com (mail-oo1-xc32.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::c32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EAD573B29D for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2023 05:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-oo1-xc32.google.com with SMTP id 006d021491bc7-57b3d8de4a2so49312eaf.0 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2023 02:13:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1695201220; x=1695806020; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=iyTbvNmlJABlRlZGBJkI9dyZFavCG9oeqFsLxGshiLw=; b=FtCqEuyjNSxKq4nEd87DhohhCn2+UvKLtlyttyIOUi96045XiHGf2HsOo3p2BqDLx9 +ZTlZx1RzXopj36TM9ljKvU9eDja9IND+aAb/68Cg4+dPviHRNb8sB/JIa4VIVRjsFDV 79gqJhREVWTlwHdrILBYTjQybMd6TtnF4GvUrHxzceO7mnoFHXiREIQlLWYVxcLu8S78 Nhityo/n/wRBWPR5hnzUXS0JvQvRSopRrHCCWdk+wgXkV/QSS6h21CuC9u2BTJEDPnAn 7TqiCBibCJ6Ym7vopnlbbEPakAszD8J0tkfKAMQIgrrdXcGs+R6QD1pbi0VA+CIuLIrf vKhA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1695201220; x=1695806020; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=iyTbvNmlJABlRlZGBJkI9dyZFavCG9oeqFsLxGshiLw=; b=tgm5WPgYUVKv4ZnrHzC5VmP5n3jAsEAf60cH5dekCMpk4GOYaLUTHbmYBhaab7oq44 /Ae7353fb517yT7rjU2hFL6qhPXI8+uUhWdNGzFEf8GbJqzzsJn3H4tdo0M9keLsTT/c Hx1hxFqDIMAWBNPtgtNiu8q+D1I+Hx0yQch770kh9AG4z3wTNXkeV5kR0ba8XiBLbdOB TBqh0bQA9UFNsuZ3/fge7Fakhy6fvvisMyqLjooL/MPqGjKUFsfpGnOGYMmXihZJrROX ZXZyMos1jR+DdZF7LWh6kPicQUTykXca/S7PdboHjeig25H291IjE+fRak/PFHHFnxVD 07bQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwMSHZ3Oju9d+yBrF3NtMK/HowlffzQwzcJdS2mXunguTwCyf8T ZjOG3HibD86JVvDI6G0CDKb+yGHCzRXG9CprXUI3ex0I7MM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEE8TDiGuqdA4aLZ2Y775ngzsfGu82JNjZdfAJULMfM6iHU9iDWd5U1hfPWq/0vQ479xPUFvjCpflwJ1Ezh9dg= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:5622:b0:1d5:aa83:c225 with SMTP id m34-20020a056870562200b001d5aa83c225mr2174383oao.21.1695201219842; Wed, 20 Sep 2023 02:13:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:6358:998a:b0:143:54ad:58e5 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Sep 2023 02:13:39 -0700 (PDT) From: =?UTF-8?Q?David_Fern=C3=A1ndez?= Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 11:13:39 +0200 Message-ID: To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Starlink] the website for the end of the world X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 09:13:41 -0000 Wondering what else, besides anycast DNS, could be worth hosting up there. There is this study going on too: https://cordis.europa.eu/project/id/10108= 2517 > Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 14:09:13 -0700 > From: Dave Taht > To: Dave Taht via Starlink > Subject: [Starlink] the website for the end of the world > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8" > > John Carmack just kicked off a thoughtful thread over here: > > https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1704160299845071328 > > (Among other things, I would rather like to see DNS services hosted nativ= e > up there) > > Starting point: > The idea that the internet was created to survive nuclear war is > apocryphal; packet routing does provide some resilience, but you will los= e > internet in an apocalypse. Space based systems are interesting to conside= r > =E2=80=94 they tend to be very reliant on ground systems, but it would be > technically elegant if packets from one ground station to another were > delivered directly, with no other ground interaction. LEO constellations > probably need near constant ground help to update orbital ephemeris, and > the orbits would decay in a few years anyway, but GEO sats could continue > operating for decades if their control software didn=E2=80=99t preclude i= t. There > should be off grid (or even in-space) servers connected to the satellite > networks at static IP addresses (so DNS isn=E2=80=99t required). The Webs= ite For > The End Of The World. What would a sparsely distributed group of apocalyp= se > survivors want to see there? A Wikipedia mirror and some type of forum fo= r > communication, certainly. It seems like a good story element, but a littl= e > real world LARPing along those lines would be fun. The tragedy would be > when all the terminals maintaining a fragile network of communication amo= ng > humanity shut down due to the account billing servers being unavailable. > > > > > -- > Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.h= tml > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos