From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oi1-x22b.google.com (mail-oi1-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B29A3B2A4 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2023 04:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-oi1-x22b.google.com with SMTP id 5614622812f47-3a04e5baffcso500894b6e.3 for ; Thu, 06 Jul 2023 01:20:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1688631642; x=1691223642; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=fGFkEyMNw6OTC6c+d2WD3sAZ2nupVFjIQQPH7H08LBI=; b=n0UYp4/ahFGZ4PRayLU0t/F6XAnbyQqyXdmjZZqg/we3Xeu1h2XfLZHV9mm5IwweDg d+XMt6ViOn8Qnodu7sTlPb0il0q1mdn1Z7Owqc991Gg2/82Ugo2iBeZUNbxC1nrhvH7/ Drm9szWZhbk1z0YC0VofiNAbIbdYIk3lYthz+jtItT0CJ1CXN6C9T1Nkuqc+OHfUT3Ao A0eHEutTj+q8I6cVsFPyM/GfmkQKOBcvyuvvd61HIF3YrxBwlvmuaVu8BiCoPWuRrFyU 2k4qcmPT7nmo9F0mdJKoEvKHy2xsZL8OwAoG5svGb0ukwmARoxlqQl5KyQci3ORiLQ6J 1Uwg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1688631642; x=1691223642; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=fGFkEyMNw6OTC6c+d2WD3sAZ2nupVFjIQQPH7H08LBI=; b=f6XnTdCjbw1xqDqRlVMm4p9UHC8a9eg87EPUv6p2jxSY6bNRFjCumv4fVKgC0iZCe6 Uc5UdpZJEadIddmuxjbw7MbonLJH/cMpAsCx7z+dmateg9SXQ6TZnVo2Bg5D/zY5aPZp XKDxrKlh5DEER5BfbvEGmN+uMtZzEqI+1tYkF89SnlEeUDpkJ4CTZaJwkVE8bL8toDpr r46qYg/E1MToJ2bYDxF9fa3nGhkuJYglRQwRHdIUqarNkJmC3klVggxoLHTny7gJ2WaH JHFDfMIBsxxjaCeXxIh5t5XZh27D5XOn9UUzAjEwxe4nBrEquiXpzVrWg9iqtaMOeu5X 6chA== X-Gm-Message-State: ABy/qLYuDjh9CbvrlmidFwf9KS7hELA6n4xZq+HLN50QrS9CyJPgdWLz BUZqOM4YZ6U0j8xMrZavQI3Rg7LnytkSIQW88curoIwaYm0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APBJJlH0uObLU99Z6QYiq3xpmKxQyqXh/14CkS1PrOHOLDNUBiZOUQiY5NcBNbS5z2MzrUUvcROdIS//TVTV6bSH4Bo= X-Received: by 2002:aca:1304:0:b0:39a:531b:db6c with SMTP id e4-20020aca1304000000b0039a531bdb6cmr1383339oii.47.1688631642389; Thu, 06 Jul 2023 01:20:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:6358:93a3:b0:130:e6dd:711c with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jul 2023 01:20:41 -0700 (PDT) From: =?UTF-8?Q?David_Fern=C3=A1ndez?= Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 10:20:41 +0200 Message-ID: To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Starlink] NZ latest latency report X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2023 08:20:43 -0000 I think they could recommend the RSP to provide better devices, but SamKnows should then provide Whiteboxes that replace the device provided by the RSP, to demonstrate that it can be done better, and then compare the measurements with the original device provided by the RSP vs. the better ones. Tables 3, 4 and 5 in the report (starting at page 37) give some latency measurements to different servers by Retail Service Provider (RSP). I have not seen specified in the report the duration of the measurement tests. Why do you suspect the test is not running long enough? What should be the duration of the tests? They are reporting the average value for measurements and the range where 95% of measurements fall, leaving out of the range the 2.5% lower measurements and the 2.5% higher, I understand. What does they "should be pulling from higher than what appears to be the 75th percentile" mean? Regards, David > Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2023 07:08:14 -0600 > From: Dave Taht > To: libreqos , Rpm > , Dave Taht via Starlink > > Cc: Sam Crawford > Subject: [Starlink] NZ latest latency report > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" > > I do wish that it broke it out by provider, and recommended somehow to > those suffering still, install a better device... VDSL can be made > vastly more tolerable. Otherwise pretty good, and brings in > starlink... > > https://comcom.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0016/320326/MBNZ-Autumn-Rep= ort-28-June-2023.pdf > > To pick on samknows a little bit, I think the test does not run long > enough, and should be pulling from higher than what appears to be the > 75th percentile. > > > > -- > Podcast: > https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7058793910227111937/ > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos