From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pf1-x42c.google.com (mail-pf1-x42c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::42c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1368B3B29D for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2022 09:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-pf1-x42c.google.com with SMTP id u132so9352323pfc.6 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2022 06:46:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=x8h4Gw+6tsn2eLKGZJgfCHKJLGHI711gII7qHEmLMWU=; b=BqSyKbhDUwSMQ+reXp/OFo2tye09XrAqSm5H+3it0SIZqEcEZHouCbfFCP0GtK9qZa 1bICyHkdkMTHPRp2PjETJOGHS0dDNaZ/RHislM9mXEbxlESa7t9LB9lJ0J+fU+I+rnQx 8Bh18ueMMMguask2UBzt1b+DeoosvBkU38Zn7tGrqblP0gdCpC8vRyQERksoro4NGBTh Cy9IojpX8sv0qq7NBJW0K1gQBPH3CFOZVlLlFzqVtgIHU6SoEe4bN/q2aaKY13vfuv+C qQ4G+iF9z37Pbo1kKI6eOBaW79Oq75ux6WjwPXxM37+vw9AezQSy/PxP89TD8niY8REc f+mQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=x8h4Gw+6tsn2eLKGZJgfCHKJLGHI711gII7qHEmLMWU=; b=Adh9KDjeFoN3uj44OiVw3dQ66Ul4So3jnT0c2r2eIxj62CiS9Vd+UK9qg/cl2QB2JA qtx8HcaieZ//icErkB49G401sCMfamBx8E9xO9QLJEdg9xUTkwYb4S3eKswu/XDHgnEz zGIPF780wYOQxeHyls25sDFAad6MIDOYMghrNwmB1/biZ3SZXNMauadxtl6kEE16wOTO 5mAf/IRcyF08ned8adygZ/tgIjqZOSPBR2s/ek44q5HuHMkHkvGCXfHv0wMdYgsb5fsV I9guw/QYH5soPRx9Vkjy05WyHSesRmjgJgNK5Lz8S7YJKYn6PnHzlXVqMFTQ7ORfxYxl NLiA== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf0Ruspyn7bw45P8CvNbfJzezfdAp1sszL/V8SH4pw2aN8xljfT2 k+3dP0RpuX1jh6DNS8fEXnInHiIHZO0tUDfaZVZvtPc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM6f4sYQEM7PWVm312z0s7/W/wp2uNncbOfnMkBqK0zodRFcZw2Md6ygleyjJL+xqUyV7qKmA2mqa2oQVBLWWYQ= X-Received: by 2002:a63:88c8:0:b0:439:494d:fd10 with SMTP id l191-20020a6388c8000000b00439494dfd10mr3092055pgd.201.1663854383787; Thu, 22 Sep 2022 06:46:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: warren ponder Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2022 06:46:13 -0700 Message-ID: To: Mike Puchol Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht_via_Starlink?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000080f54505e944497b" Subject: Re: [Starlink] It's still the starlink latency... X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2022 13:46:25 -0000 --00000000000080f54505e944497b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great description Mike. Elon acknowledged this 12+ months ago. 'Need more ground stations and less foolish routing' As Dave said though it mind blowing how tech writers come up with stuff. Granted SL does not really engage in that area but there are so many resources available and willing to validate their articles you would think they would have the integrity to use them. WP On Thu, Sep 22, 2022, 5:01 AM Mike Puchol via Starlink < starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > Satellites don=E2=80=99t get re-positioned, they are in orbital planes an= d slots, > to move them is expensive in time and fuel, thus, once they have been > placed, they stay. You can see how the constellation operates at > starlink.sx - you=E2=80=99ll quickly notice why coverage is a function of= gateway > availability, the constellation has enough density. > > The issues in the US are twofold - many customers added while not enough > satellite capacity is available (the first constellation is only about 50= % > complete), and many gateways only have half the spectrum available, > reducing available througput. > > Best, > > Mike > On Sep 22, 2022 at 13:42 +0200, Andrew Crane via Starlink < > starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>, wrote: > > Even senior reporters for tech publications have been conditioned to not > look beyond "speed" numbers. > > OT I wonder if the woes in North America are caused by the unplanned > repositioning of satellites for Ukraine coverage. > ~ Andrew > > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 2:35 PM Dave Taht via Starlink < > starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> I still find it remarkable that reporters are still missing the >> meaning of the huge latencies for starlink, under load. Just look at >> the >> >> >> https://www.pcmag.com/news/starlink-speeds-drop-significantly-in-the-us-= amid-congestion-woes >> >> -- >> FQ World Domination pending: >> https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_codel/ >> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC >> _______________________________________________ >> Starlink mailing list >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >> > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > --00000000000080f54505e944497b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great description Mike. Elon acknowledged this 12+ months= ago. 'Need more ground stations and less foolish routing'

As Dave said though it mind blowing h= ow tech writers come up with stuff. Granted SL does not really engage in th= at area but there are so many resources available and willing to validate t= heir articles you would think they would have the integrity to use them.

WP

On Thu, Sep 22= , 2022, 5:01 AM Mike Puchol via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
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Satellites don=E2=80=99t get re-positioned, they are in o= rbital planes and slots, to move them is expensive in time and fuel, thus, = once they have been placed, they stay. You can see how the constellation op= erates at starlink.sx - you=E2=80=99ll quickly notice why coverage is a functi= on of gateway availability, the constellation has enough density.

The issues in the US are twofold - many customers added while not enough sa= tellite capacity is available (the first constellation is only about 50% co= mplete), and many gateways only have half the spectrum available, reducing = available througput.

Best,

Mike
On Sep 22, 2022 at 13:42 +0200, Andrew Cr= ane via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>, wr= ote:
Even senior reporters for tech publications have been cond= itioned to not look beyond "speed" numbers.

OT I wonder if the woes in North America are caused by the unplanned r= epositioning of satellites for Ukraine coverage.
~ Andrew


On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 2:35 PM Dave = Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wr= ote:
I still find it remarkabl= e that reporters are still missing the
meaning of the huge latencies for starlink, under load. Just look at
the

https://www.pcmag.com/news/starlink-speeds-drop-significantly-in-the-us-= amid-congestion-woes

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