Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad.
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From: Jeremy Austin <jeremy@aterlo.com>
To: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
Cc: Dave Collier-Brown <dave.collier-brown@indexexchange.com>,
	starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Starlink] SpaceX ordered to explain pricing strategy
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 12:39:27 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACw=56LeJLKgLg+s0dT4Km1+pt1qT2U0KNrymOPrZZUHq8gOzA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <nos142op-2rn8-qq4o-n73q-5s80659q3q41@ynat.uz>

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On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 5:56 PM David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:

> Musk has said that without Starship and the v2 starlink satellites, the
> finances
> barely work, but Starship will significantly decrease the per-satellite
> costs,
> and the v2 satellites will increase the bandwith available per sq km, and
> the
> increase in the number of satellites from ~5k to ~40k will increase the
> number
> of satellites and therefor the bandwith per sq km again.
>

Curiously, Starlink so far is not licensed for frequency reuse, which makes
me quite curious how an 8x increase in satellites will result in a similar
increase of bandwidth per square km.


>
> Also, that 25Mb/s bandwidth figure is what happens in the peak hour that
> everyone is using the system. If that does not suffer from bad bloat,
> that's
> actually a fairly comfortable rate, enough for several people to be
> streaming HD
> video (although for 4k video it gets tighter, but still works) When my
> cablemodem drops out and I fall back to 8/1 DSL, my zoom calls notice when
> I
> have other people streaming video (along with email/etc), but I'm still
> usually
> not the worst on the call. 3x that bandwidth (unbloated) would be quite
> comfortable for several people.
>

Completely agree about 25 Mbps being comfortable when latency is good. We
(at Preseem) have a lot of data on how much bandwidth is used per nominal
speed plan, and while the initial increase is steep (a 10 Mbit user is
often constrained these days), above 25-50 Mbps, the slope is about 2:1 --
that is, a 200 Mbit user causes only about 2x the load of a 50 Mbit user.


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  reply	other threads:[~2022-04-12 20:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-08  8:59 Daniel AJ Sokolov
2022-04-08 18:15 ` David Lang
2022-04-08 21:04   ` Daniel AJ Sokolov
2022-04-08 21:45     ` David Lang
2022-04-10 13:55       ` Dave Collier-Brown
2022-04-12  1:56         ` David Lang
2022-04-12 20:39           ` Jeremy Austin [this message]
2022-04-12 21:25             ` Mike Puchol
2022-04-12 22:30               ` Jeremy Austin
2022-04-12 22:39                 ` Mike Puchol
2022-04-12 22:41             ` Daniel AJ Sokolov
2022-04-12 22:43       ` Daniel AJ Sokolov

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