From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-yw1-x1135.google.com (mail-yw1-x1135.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2838C3B29E for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2022 16:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-yw1-x1135.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-2ebdf6ebd29so1198387b3.2 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2022 13:39:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aterlo.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=poQKQa9Z5mEWJN+xPC9g9okPspFkuZBdihj7QD9XE7E=; b=gKQereXss6zfF2AQ6lcAfBt26jRmGpHLiZj7yrubF4pVmkMs2oidfFGV78L3r0HcsQ bExYLUbPQ8cTBUCM3nz6a/qOUaRwNLynS0m9XVwNCBkadLPONIUS/xZ9Cw60QHsDdz6b R410VvW8M6FUqpkyOjmthef4WcNwOqeGKD63A= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=poQKQa9Z5mEWJN+xPC9g9okPspFkuZBdihj7QD9XE7E=; b=EeLIJqhCxvZ8go4lvnPb4e71fsAGqBJh0/5LSC0bUxATK8OFRwJRbZp7RtO/1z/94z KrEY7qFR2if97Sj3y8Az3jJO5bj2cajULsOSHMdJ3Y/maOiG8e23b4mZrq0BlXBjiyhN bopzDSgVKgYuOVqp9EgIswOhVSV7WH5h5YH49jz0KMwV/GdKFfaJQJTnth8Gl5nGlaqn ui1+MipZcjDcljgEB3/Q2dB4Wmadv71uo7aQDj3ngMQpa3dBcxTCG6SDgVopr4JYJROQ GgH4Q8p9n1ZBNG8hpIySgEshIy9ECpIH/xdy+2DPV8YQDF3+08R2Q9u+dH0nnYQpW3rG SS6A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533c5uwnNHaVNEJC22QJaqOjK49tl0imcw0e3K0SvBbO/SBMr492 1yq107jU5dwvzcpo1dg5WA5hiQkQpHx9HV/J+hTreQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzhUpcUC6VtIXW+DDO8njNWqVlDXBvRQq4qrZmPp67O0n64LSgdr6uDx9bKPtQqhllV9kU2fD2oSRGzL0FD5aI= X-Received: by 2002:a81:2486:0:b0:2ec:894:db1f with SMTP id k128-20020a812486000000b002ec0894db1fmr11498894ywk.374.1649795978425; Tue, 12 Apr 2022 13:39:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <168F6AAF-7953-4498-913A-A322D184FF2B@falco.ca> In-Reply-To: From: Jeremy Austin Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 12:39:27 -0800 Message-ID: To: David Lang Cc: Dave Collier-Brown , starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003f228305dc7b0f0c" Subject: Re: [Starlink] SpaceX ordered to explain pricing strategy X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 20:39:39 -0000 --0000000000003f228305dc7b0f0c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 5:56 PM David Lang wrote: > Musk has said that without Starship and the v2 starlink satellites, the > finances > barely work, but Starship will significantly decrease the per-satellite > costs, > and the v2 satellites will increase the bandwith available per sq km, and > the > increase in the number of satellites from ~5k to ~40k will increase the > number > of satellites and therefor the bandwith per sq km again. > Curiously, Starlink so far is not licensed for frequency reuse, which makes me quite curious how an 8x increase in satellites will result in a similar increase of bandwidth per square km. > > Also, that 25Mb/s bandwidth figure is what happens in the peak hour that > everyone is using the system. If that does not suffer from bad bloat, > that's > actually a fairly comfortable rate, enough for several people to be > streaming HD > video (although for 4k video it gets tighter, but still works) When my > cablemodem drops out and I fall back to 8/1 DSL, my zoom calls notice when > I > have other people streaming video (along with email/etc), but I'm still > usually > not the worst on the call. 3x that bandwidth (unbloated) would be quite > comfortable for several people. > Completely agree about 25 Mbps being comfortable when latency is good. We (at Preseem) have a lot of data on how much bandwidth is used per nominal speed plan, and while the initial increase is steep (a 10 Mbit user is often constrained these days), above 25-50 Mbps, the slope is about 2:1 -- that is, a 200 Mbit user causes only about 2x the load of a 50 Mbit user. -- -- Jeremy Austin Sr. Product Manager Preseem | Aterlo Networks preseem.com Book a Call: https://app.hubspot.com/meetings/jeremy548 Phone: 1-833-733-7336 x718 Email: jeremy@preseem.com Stay Connected with Newsletters & More: *https://preseem.com/stay-connected/* --0000000000003f228305dc7b0f0c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 5:56 PM David= Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:
Musk has said that without Starship and the v2 starlink satellites, the fin= ances
barely work, but Starship will significantly decrease the per-satellite cos= ts,
and the v2 satellites will increase the bandwith available per sq km, and t= he
increase in the number of satellites from ~5k to ~40k will increase the num= ber
of satellites and therefor the bandwith per sq km again.

Curiously, Starlink so far is not licensed= for frequency reuse, which makes me quite curious how an 8x increase in sa= tellites will result in a similar increase of bandwidth per square km.
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Also, that 25Mb/s bandwidth figure is what happens in the peak hour that everyone is using the system. If that does not suffer from bad bloat, that&= #39;s
actually a fairly comfortable rate, enough for several people to be streami= ng HD
video (although for 4k video it gets tighter, but still works) When my
cablemodem drops out and I fall back to 8/1 DSL, my zoom calls notice when = I
have other people streaming video (along with email/etc), but I'm still= usually
not the worst on the call. 3x that bandwidth (unbloated) would be quite comfortable for several people.

Completely agree about 25 Mbps be= ing comfortable when latency is good. We (at Preseem) have a lot of data on= how much bandwidth is used per nominal speed plan, and while the initial i= ncrease is steep (a 10 Mbit user is often constrained these days), above 25= -50 Mbps, the slope is about 2:1 -- that is, a 200 Mbit user causes only ab= out 2x the load of a 50 Mbit user.


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Phone: 1-833-733-7336 x718

Stay Connected with Newsl= etters & More:=C2=A0https://preseem.com/stay-connected/
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