From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pl1-x635.google.com (mail-pl1-x635.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::635]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FF053B2A4 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2023 23:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-pl1-x635.google.com with SMTP id d9443c01a7336-1a68d61579bso5474675ad.1 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2023 20:26:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1681961167; x=1684553167; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=n+gmXU7G1KwNT8xqOPyLgzCs8J32jyEzke1z/y+J0GI=; b=HjCV95uEcsCHlnqlmfCE4TGQvRDMoyZA/WMMaTMighDKU58KyVr5wSVkEXlFxOr8fQ +RAUZZtqzsGZ973oD0kriW6/nkhoRwZRmgajHdVef+/BREzGF+GPfaPZLtGr1qp+DLSs f+Kil3rg5Di16oB2BOeheAHQ9xz+fTrexjGmY9JOaT8bNz7oWbV9hWGr/mXiA4K81FlM PJWZqTVg6Uvcgk/+RjTCEyF8YdUdWyrzT7ipyMf8L5sm/02aK5+cQ0TYuP9DKn93bb9d wpAYrGD5hMRp/mBuof600umW/T/KkFjZFrQJgsfQW0IdXTuftGb67Lnalu+AlKQnanwP LHPA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1681961167; x=1684553167; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=n+gmXU7G1KwNT8xqOPyLgzCs8J32jyEzke1z/y+J0GI=; b=kqA23QRyQoyFsHCgbtZcXoWraUWjK2OoWrfFx3xEX1LPoNHDJ5aIeInna5ThkCCvqC /joYOrIT7lq1c99AWKarplAGJ1enrU/WF2qAZsp8iP6y2U6B/csu/TOU2vepfSJrMe8E NPvklHuta442shG9JIui0Q8BoTpk4B/xWs/5QSndN6e5yNQ4o6PHcZ26TsrT/Z24EVOB bvDq/ZEhCwLXwiaveEnL8BtKLhen8J8UCX5HykQSQOwVFJa6iSzxTYzzmzqHfUaK+iWp mPBXo2l9+g7rKV5423cHSICnVL2eXMJbCj2XzWrhSkdZdOQmuyrIOLzAWtjp48hB+sFE akFw== X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9eYDYaGrHLaRmyNTmGD7N/w67N0FTpy/YYloS5jqsRmSaswpAkC QIgfU5RwWKO2kS22vRQCWRFtsl+1yoLSx2h0lPE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350bxpZedAM/xFcmaKQ8nd5cTZba3t6IRS115redjDc8CO9Jjz2uy/z73xM2DZpxsGu90tF6BHynoLqK43GGuriU= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:8498:b0:19f:2328:beee with SMTP id c24-20020a170902849800b0019f2328beeemr107225plo.11.1681961167146; Wed, 19 Apr 2023 20:26:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1272.1681406523@localhost> <8151.1681416108@localhost> <24341.1681947286@localhost> <4f0fa01d97325$3f72e9a0$be58bce0$@evslin.com> In-Reply-To: From: Hesham ElBakoury Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 20:25:55 -0700 Message-ID: To: Toerless Eckert Cc: Vint Cerf , tom@evslin.com, Michael Richardson , starlink , e-impact@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e4d3fa05f9bc197c" Subject: Re: [Starlink] [E-impact] DataCenters in Space (was Re: fiber IXPs in space) X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2023 03:26:08 -0000 --000000000000e4d3fa05f9bc197c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is an interesting article about DC in space to mitigate power consumption. https://www.google.com/amp/s/english.elpais.com/science-tech/2022-12-28/dat= a-centers-move-into-space-to-mitigate-power-consumption-and-pollution.html%= 3foutputType=3Damp Hesham On Wed, Apr 19, 2023, 8:06 PM Toerless Eckert wrote: > I am looking forward to "Space Cowboys 2 - Data Center Edition" > > On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 09:16:38PM -0400, Vint Cerf wrote: > > O&M will be a bear > > v > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 9:13=E2=80=AFPM Tom Evslin via Starlink < > > starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > > > > I think space-based data centers will be the rule rather than the > > > exception. Wrote about that a couple of years ago although, as usual, > > > things have not happened as quickly as I predicted > > > > https://blog.tomevslin.com/2021/07/computing-clouds-in-orbit-a-possible-r= oadmap.html > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Starlink On Behalf Of > > > Michael Richardson via Starlink > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 7:35 PM > > > To: starlink ; e-impact@ietf.org > > > Subject: [Starlink] DataCenters in Space (was Re: fiber IXPs in space= ) > > > > > > > > > I saw this reported in BIS-Spaceflight. > > > (I'm usually a few months behind in reading it) I like the "first > > > objective"! > > > > > > > > > > https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/worldwide/space/press-release/ascend-thale= s-alenia-space-lead-european-feasibility-study-data > > > > > > Cannes, November 14, 2022 =E2=80=93 Thales Alenia Space, the joint co= mpany > between > > > Thales (67%) and Leonardo (33%), has been chosen by the European > Commission > > > to lead the ASCEND (Advanced Space Cloud for European Net zero > emission and > > > Data sovereignty) feasibility study for data centers in orbit, as par= t > of > > > Europe=E2=80=99s vast Horizon Europe research program. > > > > > > Digital technology=E2=80=99s expanding environmental footprint is bec= oming a > major > > > challenge: the burgeoning need for digitalization means that data > centers > > > in Europe and around the world are growing at an exponential pace, > which in > > > turn has a critical energy and environmental impact. > > > > > > The first objective of this study will be to assess if the carbon > > > emissions from the production and launch of these space infrastructur= es > > > will be significantly lower than the emissions generated by > ground-based > > > data centers, therefore contributing to the achievement of global > carbon > > > neutrality. The second objective will be to prove that it is possible > to > > > develop the required launch solution and to ensure the deployment and > > > operability of these spaceborne data centers using robotic assistance > > > technologies currently being developed in Europe, such as the EROSS I= OD > > > demonstrator. > > > > > > This project is expected to demonstrate to which extent space-based > data > > > centers would limit the energy and environmental impact of their grou= nd > > > counterparts, thus allowing major investments within the scope of > Europe=E2=80=99s > > > Green Deal, possibly justifying the development of a more > climate-friendly, > > > reusable heavy launch vehicle. Europe could thus regain its leadershi= p > in > > > space transport and space logistics, as well as the assembly and > operations > > > of large infrastructures in orbit. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Starlink mailing list > > > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Starlink mailing list > > > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > > > > > > > > -- > > Please send any postal/overnight deliveries to: > > Vint Cerf > > Google, LLC > > 1900 Reston Metro Plaza, 16th Floor > > Reston, VA 20190 > > +1 (571) 213 1346 > > > > > > until further notice > > -- > E-impact mailing list > E-impact@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/e-impact > --000000000000e4d3fa05f9bc197c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, Apr 19, 2023, 8:06 PM Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:
I am looking forward to "Space Cowboys 2 - Data Center = Edition"

On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 09:16:38PM -0400, Vint Cerf wrote:
> O&M will be a bear
> v
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 9:13=E2=80=AFPM Tom Evslin via Starlink < > starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
> > I think space-based data centers will be the rule rather than the=
> > exception. Wrote about that a couple of years ago although, as us= ual,
> > things have not happened as quickly as I predicted
> > https://blog.tomevslin.com/2021/07/computing-clouds-in-orbit-a-possibl= e-roadmap.html
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Starlink <starlink-bounces@lists.buf= ferbloat.net> On Behalf Of
> > Michael Richardson via Starlink
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 7:35 PM
> > To: starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net&g= t;; e-impact@ietf.org
> > Subject: [Starlink] DataCenters in Space (was Re: fiber IXPs in s= pace)
> >
> >
> > I saw this reported in BIS-Spaceflight.
> > (I'm usually a few months behind in reading it) I like the &q= uot;first
> > objective"!
> >
> >
> > https://www.thalesgroup.com/en= /worldwide/space/press-release/ascend-thales-alenia-space-lead-european-fea= sibility-study-data
> >
> > Cannes, November 14, 2022 =E2=80=93 Thales Alenia Space, the join= t company between
> > Thales (67%) and Leonardo (33%), has been chosen by the European = Commission
> > to lead the ASCEND (Advanced Space Cloud for European Net zero em= ission and
> > Data sovereignty) feasibility study for data centers in orbit, as= part of
> > Europe=E2=80=99s vast Horizon Europe research program.
> >
> > Digital technology=E2=80=99s expanding environmental footprint is= becoming a major
> > challenge: the burgeoning need for digitalization means that data= centers
> > in Europe and around the world are growing at an exponential pace= , which in
> > turn has a critical energy and environmental impact.
> >
> > The first objective of this study will be to assess if the carbon=
> > emissions from the production and launch of these space infrastru= ctures
> > will be significantly lower than the emissions generated by groun= d-based
> > data centers, therefore contributing to the achievement of global= carbon
> > neutrality. The second objective will be to prove that it is poss= ible to
> > develop the required launch solution and to ensure the deployment= and
> > operability of these spaceborne data centers using robotic assist= ance
> > technologies currently being developed in Europe, such as the ERO= SS IOD
> > demonstrator.
> >
> > This project is expected to demonstrate to which extent space-bas= ed data
> > centers would limit the energy and environmental impact of their = ground
> > counterparts, thus allowing major investments within the scope of= Europe=E2=80=99s
> > Green Deal, possibly justifying the development of a more climate= -friendly,
> > reusable heavy launch vehicle. Europe could thus regain its leade= rship in
> > space transport and space logistics, as well as the assembly and = operations
> > of large infrastructures in orbit.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Starlink mailing list
> > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/= listinfo/starlink
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Starlink mailing list
> > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/= listinfo/starlink
> >
>
>
> --
> Please send any postal/overnight deliveries to:
> Vint Cerf
> Google, LLC
> 1900 Reston Metro Plaza, 16th Floor
> Reston, VA 20190
> +1 (571) 213 1346
>
>
> until further notice

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