From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pg1-x535.google.com (mail-pg1-x535.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::535]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 229323B2A4 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2023 08:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-pg1-x535.google.com with SMTP id 41be03b00d2f7-56963f2e48eso2912758a12.1 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2023 05:11:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1693397460; x=1694002260; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=NaiKTsONTwqpSX244z+ACszuDWSMPLpcbksWQiFX86s=; b=GYD4HPAw4gaV/72tt7nfYg0U3ZbaxyN7rxJGA3BACYUoPDwLYyrkb7MhbebeR3bQOe zd3+8Rtdev4CeEdsf3fjzhPmOkgfjL3hpQ2bTc5UQU6tXb9EI7nIlal0WLH6mkPoN5ZG ahoTx9w3DnWQjOOq24dJ9M3XV3Nvb+ZbI0YY6WcKa7/b03mMunYoB8QfeVdtwb+5eAzJ dzU0T0lUffB3SFtQpEhBDwi1AcqovZDYo3Zaca93b+12Amupu3PLdP11jseJRzlQCp3S WLYta56z7CfKuO+IQmJxX0ynklRTrVft6ak/ydBtPARWkIbZshnoyB6NLCoNTg8kQEGK 2qkA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1693397460; x=1694002260; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=NaiKTsONTwqpSX244z+ACszuDWSMPLpcbksWQiFX86s=; b=ignAskJf3etCDgCch6ZrWJJEL9lzL0LwdrKBunXBRmtz7R///x7eLe6lWU1tSGOJBM wFOt4ndgpAYzFXYUrXlriBk3V0h9C2IaAHQ59Yic8PTXdmys+5wHzyg/Fdnw1bl2nioN ASAff5yCOZkdZV7WKjWlSNou/jraGY272348i6+lsxTyTTgaNkt/L1ukXkh8ZVimMTec jx3WbLL4nLEatRK7aFMd5uCMVRnurJJT6TTpky9PoQXRZwT5FDiig/z6WkY/SSYf+zXe 57rtJkekXc1ijbT3ca/jVDBfHo7QxY6CbAsTzjvdtcaXzUgmg4aWcAID/1M1SpKoQ9SR AdoA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyU01T2amaMj/tz1OTC08umfZyOYmXC/cvDViazFEVHIU0pU+LJ 9zGfeFmfwfK9PDL0IaTJIQp1EQR+5vvO2THEdCElMfHB X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IF3FA9nX3wJmeG16OaXVbJ3dXRRfhtbKF0bdH/VG+EHlt5IBS7htTHBv6Hy3NVJx+ICRPzkiMsl6KWFLo7loQw= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:8d05:b0:26d:2b42:cdae with SMTP id c5-20020a17090a8d0500b0026d2b42cdaemr1677592pjo.3.1693397459350; Wed, 30 Aug 2023 05:10:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Hesham ElBakoury Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2023 05:10:48 -0700 Message-ID: To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000073835060422d258" Subject: [Starlink] Main hurdles against the Integration of Satellites and Terrestial Networks X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2023 12:11:01 -0000 --000000000000073835060422d258 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Here is a report which summarizes the outcome of the last Satellites conference [ https://www.microwavejournal.com/articles/39841-satellite-2023-summary-linking-up ] The report highlights the two main hurdles against the integration of satellites and terrestrial networks: standardization and business model. "*Most of the pushback against closer integration of terrestrial wireless and satellite networks revolved around standardization. This may just be growing pains and it likely reflects the relative positions of wireless and satellite along the maturity curve, but some of the speakers were arguing against standardization. The basis of this argument was that the mobile industry only understands standards, but the satellite industry is currently differentiating based on custom systems and capabilities. The feeling was that the satellite industry had focused on technology and not regulations or standards and changing that course would not be helpful to the industry in the short term. Timing is important in this analysis because almost everyone agreed that at some point, standardization would be a good thing, but the concern was the best way to get to the point in the future. The other interesting argument against closer integration between wireless and satellite had to do with the business model. Several speakers questioned where the customers would go as terrestrial and non-terrestrial networks become more integrated. The underlying issues seemed to include who is responsible for solving network issues and perhaps more importantly, who recognizes the revenue. These issues seem, perhaps a bit simplistically, to be similar to early wireless roaming issues. While these issues created turbulence in the wireless market, they were solved and that is probably a template to address these challenges for the wireless and satellite operators."* Comments? Hesham --000000000000073835060422d258 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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"Most of the pushback against closer integr= ation of terrestrial wireless and satellite networks revolved around standa= rdization. This may just be growing pains and it likely reflects the relati= ve positions of wireless and satellite along the maturity curve, but some o= f the speakers were arguing against standardization. The basis of this argu= ment was that the mobile industry only understands standards, but the satel= lite industry is currently differentiating based on custom systems and capa= bilities. The feeling was that the satellite industry had focused on techno= logy and not regulations or standards and changing that course would not be= helpful to the industry in the short term. Timing is important in this ana= lysis because almost everyone agreed that at some point, standardization wo= uld be a good thing, but the concern was the best way to get to the point i= n the future. The other interesting argument against closer integration bet= ween wireless and satellite had to do with the business model. Several spea= kers questioned where the customers would go as terrestrial and non-terrest= rial networks become more integrated. The underlying issues seemed to inclu= de who is responsible for solving network issues and perhaps more important= ly, who recognizes the revenue. These issues seem, perhaps a bit simplistic= ally, to be similar to early wireless roaming issues. While these issues cr= eated turbulence in the wireless market, they were solved and that is proba= bly a template to address these challenges for the wireless and satellite o= perators."

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