From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pj1-x1030.google.com (mail-pj1-x1030.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1030]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D30F03B2A4 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2023 08:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-pj1-x1030.google.com with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-271c700efb2so288514a91.0 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2023 05:02:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1693396944; x=1694001744; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=204QlR3TFT9g7lnYmceivrWuedw3WN7R+N42LmV/bJQ=; b=d1ykCb7ZFFObLdEXFvTamKsD8q+EpeXZF5goLXwrGklsj8nTms+6S6eSV2M67RV++Y n43crrNwpGCu84gmZB3RifZ9j9R3Dsix/JdefIRaePNRyr9StURdydyCQh3KzB46lK3A 5EQRRx4WKyuK3txyH7jh5jNOxrQNXC3QIBjf44PYBgUIfQ9ehdELaC6J+zUuRqtSbCG0 aGh4k4u617uUv6VUuj9VoXbnKi+9G0cfQX9PeLNMGFT1fgaar9GKzSQQv1r0IvC46len 4XzdFEuw5OL5eAziqDtUY/cNeVU4uslNHb9ozp++d4cK+CB4JRupHoDXLPd/TMv1uAA/ Uz7Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1693396944; x=1694001744; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=204QlR3TFT9g7lnYmceivrWuedw3WN7R+N42LmV/bJQ=; b=QknJCbJxSa6NGf+rrdmsmcDjZ7XvRh1/gz9uMYXSQ5Rz8JWYlekwnctSYEZvgYR0LH 94+C0znewYGjotVCBlHpyAx0DUFrkQos6iBFJ4zT6SKvzoKKmLuYtlk56oXr3DBQEcEs sDlSANmB0shSz4XzI3XRMKTKRXpDEtmhQshcfkkI81IpYPXBzfxlziAQsM3THt3zfjG2 +uPOxwp5/ewSTpV3C1ySBPqDqT/2k7wpgVOwthLiho+pnQpDBhn69G8vHSevFDBi5XbB a4WISscF1gb8rj8TzJbI3rPWDFt+aZ9uQvtWnR4iO0bP6oKFECpDCqpyzfo+Iwray0pI JMcA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yz+oDItCA0WQfs/0t30TuAzdGh3k+PqBBsDuT05al3GiEeLV9At QX980OS5YtvdW5+YLlx58px0K0cAVR3ltHAnCq9LlMpC X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IH9Sj1BFo6VvSiKVbhJQDWdmXgR15d1kZM0IsvkNNanxRLkyT92X13WQw8nBQvMlSveYMszHF+YW7525IqoQ3I= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:12c8:b0:268:e5db:6e19 with SMTP id b8-20020a17090a12c800b00268e5db6e19mr1798583pjg.20.1693396944160; Wed, 30 Aug 2023 05:02:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Hesham ElBakoury Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2023 05:02:13 -0700 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000520d73060422b350" Subject: [Starlink] Main hurdles against the Integration of Satellites and Terrestial Networks X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2023 12:02:26 -0000 --000000000000520d73060422b350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Here is a report which summarizes the outcome of the last Satellites conference [ https://www.microwavejournal.com/articles/39841-satellite-2023-summary-linking-up ] The report highlights the two main hurdles against the integration of satellites and terrestrial networks: *standardization and business model.* "*Most of the pushback against closer integration of terrestrial wireless and satellite networks revolved around standardization. This may just be growing pains and it likely reflects the relative positions of wireless and satellite along the maturity curve, but some of the speakers were arguing against standardization. The basis of this argument was that the mobile industry only understands standards, but the satellite industry is currently differentiating based on custom systems and capabilities. The feeling was that the satellite industry had focused on technology and not regulations or standards and changing that course would not be helpful to the industry in the short term. Timing is important in this analysis because almost everyone agreed that at some point, standardization would be a good thing, but the concern was the best way to get to the point in the future. The other interesting argument against closer integration between wireless and satellite had to do with the business model. Several speakers questioned where the customers would go as terrestrial and non-terrestrial networks become more integrated. The underlying issues seemed to include who is responsible for solving network issues and perhaps more importantly, who recognizes the revenue. These issues seem, perhaps a bit simplistically, to be similar to early wireless roaming issues. While these issues created turbulence in the wireless market, they were solved and that is probably a template to address these challenges for the wireless and satellite operators."* Comments? Hesham --000000000000520d73060422b350 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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"Most of the pushback against cl= oser integration of terrestrial wireless and satellite networks revolved ar= ound standardization. This may just be growing pains and it likely reflects= the relative positions of wireless and satellite along the maturity curve,= but some of the speakers were arguing against standardization. The basis o= f this argument was that the mobile industry only understands standards, bu= t the satellite industry is currently differentiating based on custom syste= ms and capabilities. The feeling was that the satellite industry had focuse= d on technology and not regulations or standards and changing that course w= ould not be helpful to the industry in the short term. Timing is important = in this analysis because almost everyone agreed that at some point, standar= dization would be a good thing, but the concern was the best way to get to = the point in the future. The other interesting argument against closer inte= gration between wireless and satellite had to do with the business model. S= everal speakers questioned where the customers would go as terrestrial and = non-terrestrial networks become more integrated. The underlying issues seem= ed to include who is responsible for solving network issues and perhaps mor= e importantly, who recognizes the revenue. These issues seem, perhaps a bit= simplistically, to be similar to early wireless roaming issues. While thes= e issues created turbulence in the wireless market, they were solved and th= at is probably a template to address these challenges for the wireless and = satellite operators."


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