Re: [Starlink] ookla's latest speedtest app does latency under load

[Brennen Smith <brennen@ookla.com>]

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On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 06:26 Livingood, Jason <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com>
wrote:

> Brennan – It’d also be nice to be able to visit
> https://www.speedtest.net/result/i/5118600624 and expand/see the working
> latency numbers that Luis has below in his results image. 😊
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> Jason
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> *From: *Starlink <starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> on behalf of
> "Luis A. Cornejo" <luis.a.cornejo@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 11:43
> *To: *"Möller, Sebastian" <SMoeller@dpz.eu>
> *Cc: *"starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net" <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
> Brennen Smith <brennen@ookla.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [Starlink] ookla's latest speedtest app does latency under
> load
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> Square dishy. North of Houston, speeds have been subpar recently compared
> to initial setup in late March (100+/10+). My cell is probably saturated
> considering my latitude, bird density, and possibly base station.
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> https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/i/5118600624
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> On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 2:09 PM Möller, Sebastian <SMoeller@dpz.eu> wrote:
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> Hi Brennan,
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> really cool stuff!
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> On May 13, 2022, at 01:35, Brennen Smith <brennen@ookla.com> wrote:
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> Hey all,
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> Here's some details about the final figures:
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> 1. Loaded latency is simply an extension of the latency stage - same
> methodology and medium
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> Where could I find a technical description of that method?
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> 2. We use a "warmed up" TCP connection for latency
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> Is that one of the load bearing flows or a non load bearing parallel flow
> that has successfully finished the TCP handshake?
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> 3. We use the interquartile mean for the "displayed value"
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> I wonder whether reporting something like a 95 or 99% quantiles (so either
> 1& and 99%, or 5% and 95%) in addition to min and max and interquartile
> mean would be possible? And since you use the 25 and 75% values already,
> maybe these as well?
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> Awesome seeing those numbers in the wild and looking forward to bringing
> more awareness to this issue.
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> For sure, so far many discussions about debugging/reducing bufferbloat
> started with people wanting to use the ubiquitious speedtest.nat nodes
> (where finding a close by one typically is easy/possible); and now this
> will actually work (assuming they use Android or iOS clients).
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> Question: will the apps for the other OSs as well as the CLI and the web
> version also be changed to include these numbers in the foreseeable future?
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> Kind Regards
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> Sebastian
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> Cheers,
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> Brennen Smith
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> VP Technology
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> On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 4:18 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yea. peak 2500ms latency on download, 600ms on upload, that's about right.
> :/ The upload figure appears to be a bit lower (better) than what I
> measured 1 year ago, here (for the 30 or so new subscribers on this list,
> this was why I started it):
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1puRjUVxJ6cCv-rgQ_zn-jWZU9ae0jZbFATLf4PQKblM/edit
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> I don't know if ookla are throwing out arp related stuff, or using the
> 99th percentile to calculate the final figure. I hope to learn more about
> their calculations in the coming weeks.
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> I do keep hoping we can get more updated flent data over longer intervals
> than 20s. With starlink changing their allocation scheme every 15s, what
> number do you pick?
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> And like I said, some packet caps of this app would be good, too.
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> On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 4:07 PM Nathan Owens <nathan@nathan.io> wrote:
> Here's a test I did today:
> https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/i/5112435305
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> On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 4:04 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ookla has just put out an ios and android app that also continuously
> measures latency under load.
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> I'm interested in calibrating the results of that vs a vs flent
> benchmarks verses starlink. Can someone here give this a shot? More
> details here:
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> https://www.ookla.com/articles/introducing-loaded-latency
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> IDEALLY, this would be over wifi -> starlink , with a packet capture
> in the middle. But I'd settle for a few test results from starlink
> folk of this new app, first.
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