Re: [Starlink] dhcpv6-pd details

[Nick Buraglio <nick@buraglio.com>]

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Once we get a bit for there I’ll send it over. It’s not my idea, I’m a
contributor so I’ll need to ask first.

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 6:56 PM Dave Taht <davet@teklibre.net> wrote:

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> On May 17, 2021, at 2:02 PM, Nick Buraglio <nick@buraglio.com> wrote:
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> The issue with this methodology (which I have used myself) is that it
> relies on the host stack to do the heavy lifting.
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> Ah, we are talking about two slightly
> different things.
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> I was unhappy with relying on happy eyeballs for failover in the clients,
> but withdrawing the address that were not working did not work well with
> any clients we had at time.
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> May I have a peek at your draft?
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> Our draft handles most, if not all of this at the CPE,
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> It would be cool to implement something better at the cpe.
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> which will allow for a significant amount of flexibility and reduction of
> complexity at the host layer. That is a fairly large oversight in the
> operational model for 90% of v6 users that aren't running BGP. One goal we
> have is to reduce the time to connectivity failover and make deterministic
> IPv6 paths easily implemented by non-technical folks, and to create a
> standard for all CPE to implement with as minimal CPU as possible.
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> nb
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> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 2:59 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 12:48 PM Nick Buraglio <nick@buraglio.com> wrote:
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>> > I have this working now between my providers with straight routing and
>> gateway checking, but it’s pretty easily doable other ways with platforms
>> like routerOS or pfsense.
>> > FWIW, I’m working with some others on an IETF draft proposal that will
>> hopefully solve the plaguing problem of multiple IPv6 PD or otherwise
>> provider assigned address blocks that will make a lot of that easier, too.
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>> Hmm? We solved this long ago in  cerowrt, openwrt, and in linux, by
>> using "source specific routing", which is the default for many openwrt
>> derived OSes.
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>> Basically it looks like this:
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>> ip route add from 2001:abcd::/56 via whatever
>> ip route add from 2001:dbcd::/56 via whatever2
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>> You then distribute both sets of ipv6 addresses to the clients. Simple
>> clean and it solved the bcp38 problem because there is no
>> default route for any but these ipv6 addresses in the system. It works
>> well for vpns also.
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>> Happy eyeballs takes care of the rest.
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>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-babel-source-specific-08
>> describes how we added it to the babel routing protocol
>> as well, so best hops can be easily chosen in a more complex network.
>> In case I had 5+ comcast uplinks spread across a wifi campus so having
>> multiple uplinks and failover was needed. It's been up and running
>> for... 7 years?
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>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-specific_routing also made it
>> into a few other places.
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>> I'm pretty certain every other OS completely missed this key feature
>> of course including your mikrotik
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>> > nb
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>> > On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 2:36 PM David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:
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>> >> On Mon, 17 May 2021, Nick Buraglio wrote:
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>> >> > Inline
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>> >> > On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 2:15 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>> >> >> Starlink provides a router, also? I'm so confused. I thought the
>> dishy
>> >> >> was all there was. Care to tear it apart and describe what's in it?
>> >> >
>> >> > As far as the "router" is concerned, it's very much a consumer grade
>> >> > device that is managed via the mobile app. I hated it, so I took it
>> >> > out. It's still up in the attic. near the cable conduit, if I recall.
>> >>
>> >> Fantastic, I was hoping it would be something like this. I think this
>> opens up a
>> >> lot of more useful options (including more easily doing failover
>> between the
>> >> dish and other network options)
>> >>
>> >> David  Lang
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