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From: Nick Buraglio <buraglio@forwardingplane.net>
To: Annika Wickert <aw@awlnx.space>
Cc: Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Starlink] dhcpv6-pd details
Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 09:48:30 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGB08_fUz7CqtJADhSDtRYOKZRBDwBiLTn+AKSa2wuBEk27f5A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <39D4FA68-A096-4874-9DB8-33B2F914B1C0@awlnx.space>

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I suspect it is due to roaming between ground stations, but I am totally
guessing.

nb

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On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 6:41 AM Annika Wickert <aw@awlnx.space> wrote:

> My lease time is also at 5min, I am in Germany close to Munich.
>
> Maybe it stops changing when my pole mount finally arrives and I get a
> more stable connection.
>
> On 18. May 2021, at 13:37, Nick Buraglio <buraglio@forwardingplane.net>
> wrote:
>
> Interesting. My lease time is set to 5m(!!!) but it’s only changed once in
> about 2 months. Where are you located?
>
> nb
>
> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 3:33 AM Annika Wickert <aw@awlnx.space> wrote:
>
>> I got dhcpv6-pd running some time ago with wide-dhcpv6 and the following
>> settings:
>>
>> profile default
>> {
>>   information-only;
>>
>>   request domain-name-servers;
>>   request domain-name;
>>
>>   script "/etc/wide-dhcpv6/dhcp6c-script";
>> };
>>
>> interface eth0 {
>>         send ia-pd 0;
>>         send ia-na 0;
>> };
>>
>> id-assoc na 0 {
>> };
>>
>> id-assoc pd 0 {
>>         prefix-interface wlan0 {
>>                 sla-len 8;
>>                 sla-id 1;
>>         };
>>         prefix-interface eth0.222 {
>>                 sla-len 8;
>>                 sla-id 2;
>>         };
>>
>> };
>>
>>
>> To request my IPv6 /64 on my WAN interface I run the following every two
>> minutes, otherwise I lose the address:
>> /bin/rdisc6 -v eth0
>>
>> With this v6 works very good and I have no issues at all.
>>
>> But prefixes change every 24 hours or so
>>
>> Best,
>> Annika
>>
>>
>> On 17. May 2021, at 21:15, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 12:04 PM Nick Buraglio <nick@buraglio.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> As discussed privately with Dave, I have removed the starlink provided
>> router and replaced it with a Mikrotik RB2011 to allow for more
>>
>>
>> Running routerOS? Latest beta's of that have cake in 'em.
>>
>> granular control, and to better tie into my existing network.
>>
>>
>> Starlink provides a router, also? I'm so confused. I thought the dishy
>> was all there was. Care to tear it apart and describe what's in it?
>>
>> This has
>> allowed me to make a dhcpv6-pd request that is reasonably stable (so
>> far it has changed once in the last 2 months). The lease time is
>> incredibly short, which is a little strange but as long as the DHCPv6
>> server is the same and remains unchanged, it should just hand out the
>> same prefix upon request.
>>
>>
>> That was a terrible habit that comcast had got into in the early days
>> that forced
>> openwrt to flush and reload the firewall every minute, or less.
>>
>> I'd pioneered a stateless firewall in cerowrt that never ever ever
>> needed to reload the
>> rules, using a pattern match for each specifically renamed ethernet
>> interface.
>>
>> Regrettably that was not accepted into openwrt, because "nftables" was
>> just around the corner.
>> It scaled beautifully to tons of interfaces going up and down so long
>> as they were named appropriately,
>> at far less cpu overhead for complicated rules than the standard
>> openwrt firewall.
>>
>> https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/cerowrt/wiki/CeroWall/?version=9
>>
>> Anyway, I don't remember all that we did to suppress the flood of
>> useless static changes
>> to everything ipv6, but I hope that whatever we ended up doing still
>> works in this case.
>>
>> I also built a very crude measurement display that just uses curl get
>> and dig via smokeping to display reasonable RTT. It's detailed in the
>> reddit post here:
>>
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/mykxjv/functional_ipv6_and_some_crude_starlink_latency/
>> and can be viewed directly here:
>> https://starmon.qosbox.com/
>>
>>
>> THX! We really need to collect the "good" information and publish it
>> somewhere, the reddit noise level is too high.
>>
>> One piece of mis-information I think was the news you can "route"
>> packets over ipv4 with a box in front of it and
>> a default gw of 192.168.100.1 Not clear from that news whether or not
>> NAT was required on the next hop or not... ?
>>
>> (that's from another reddit post I mis-remember)
>>
>>
>> Making dhcpv6-pd work is pretty standard:
>>
>> /ipv6 dhcp-client
>>
>> add add-default-route=yes interface=ether2 pool-name=starlink-ipv6
>> prefix-hint=::/56 request=prefix
>>
>> On each interface you want to have IPv6 on:
>>
>> /ipv6 address
>>
>> add address=::1 from-pool=starlink-ipv6 interface=bridge.8
>>
>> add address=::1 from-pool=starlink-ipv6 interface=bridge.6
>>
>>
>> THANKS SO MUCH. I am thinking at the moment that openwrt's dhcp-pd
>> implementation is currently
>> broken (it's not working on admittedly a comcast modem I just got that
>> I'd not used before), but
>> as soon as I get a chance I'll try configuring odhcpd6 to do something
>> like this. If I can remember how.
>>
>>
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  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-18 14:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-17 18:58 Nick Buraglio
2021-05-17 19:15 ` Dave Taht
2021-05-17 19:30   ` Nick Buraglio
2021-05-17 19:36     ` David Lang
2021-05-17 19:48       ` Nick Buraglio
2021-05-17 19:59         ` Dave Taht
2021-05-17 21:02           ` Nick Buraglio
2021-05-17 23:56             ` Dave Taht
2021-05-18  2:21               ` Nick Buraglio
2021-05-18  6:51                 ` Gert Doering
2021-05-17 19:37   ` Nathan Owens
2021-05-18  8:33   ` Annika Wickert
2021-05-18 11:37     ` Nick Buraglio
2021-05-18 11:41       ` Annika Wickert
2021-05-18 14:48         ` Nick Buraglio [this message]
2021-05-18 14:50           ` Annika Wickert
2021-06-06  3:41             ` Darrell Budic

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