From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=; dkim=fail; arc=none (Message is not ARC signed); dmarc=fail (Used From Domain Record) header.from=uvic.ca policy.dmarc=none Received: from mail-pf1-f181.google.com (mail-pf1-f181.google.com [209.85.210.181]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0645698953E for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2025 19:56:14 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail-pf1-f181.google.com with SMTP id d2e1a72fcca58-7b80fed1505so38209b3a.3 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2025 10:56:14 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1763578573; x=1764183373; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-gg:x-gm-message-state:from :to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=cimqySldL8OlHQ6/GeNqi0gLesZFFgS/HU0ykewIXl8=; b=iHK+98cOwLPoi4/KpdTg910LvV+R8FgxNS0fkjnBOuxVjuH0b0Ek1YojFKMVuKVGjC BZ4dPxLvDxxQqmNU0gukFCH06poH+0eIkI3oM7R2Ov+uE6UjXoxP4zyUrBj4Y3X2q9lY yq9naSonbubwqZ+sL6olpn5c0l2mPuCrefETopCG5T4Mj2SkjySOJS+Nw/zXzK8Mi/XX EAKxPf+pqx5zpvJX2rm8HM1siOYyh9pmbrlyJnd5oHW2NSsWwzzmbQ4+K9qtpjTCg/ex +m88nGU08noLYHiDg4mPPNQIkueFZUKJO0BI8mhS6BwCO3+rylHH73uCbDeorvlcT8go 4AjQ== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCWYyAbUxlPnw2mqXBb0S0QgFCKYECdUUzwy0ZQUszk6Wirrbisp3eZciSFhalkE/tQlMYvA32PPug==@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YynsiEGuDRz+QpbBHF2OBS7EK2z+TaWrhe1dxYjbQy49XgTABCD JPfShs7Z+QkONOU0HAt+hZawOKUXyuXoL9WOGYOnh4Yk/AyTT9zG5Z0Q0J8OtYQs6dCl8OcMepO tA/WTnq5ydl1xqhjkVAB2464pqJ5Us0UxTItv X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncuYDDdBX/uWLgXbhE1w0K0sCHpYh6JS61Oadt/PhaEV2OeI8CNGFwfrRkpe8sj jNCXD7n7wrHuuWJWbCvy/2H4HE8zIEeGtkCaUPF0/gWZR/WVXVXyri48IrtY/lx3mJU4SzYA0JM v3wnknECmyYtsQn7PVIutJBIGJ65TCkipxfWLjayR0dVpsPRGZ1YRTHFFQDt70STDWTM97OZiDh 9JDqPmxzuXLqXc8kSOV65y1UA2V8jXWBGm8Ce7ztkfzFkSS+wUOp99+EEzYWRUvgUjbpUCqj0oN vmGqvQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IE+5jDXXyp35/pSBjx3BSygsIjOSDf9KeFY8UifD2CW7PTOdRjk5WdI5CRTbJlxhD1BQXgIQD86WH5QTOfMRz0= X-Received: by 2002:a53:acc3:0:10b0:63f:b4ee:7915 with SMTP id 956f58d0204a3-641e74a2c95mr14047155d50.11.1763571550567; Wed, 19 Nov 2025 08:59:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: J Pan Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2025 08:58:59 -0800 X-Gm-Features: AWmQ_bnMq7AUjesIKG2l962RwwaI_JoiJRPsyoILeVPsUxp2uSzgK3FmDROK678 Message-ID: To: Gert Doering Cc: Hesham ElBakoury , 5grm-satellite@ieee.org, Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: J4AO6OC5DC2IZSXM6IK6THMGNT5XPUF6 X-Message-ID-Hash: J4AO6OC5DC2IZSXM6IK6THMGNT5XPUF6 X-MailFrom: panatuvicdotca@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; emergency; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Subject: [Starlink] Re: How Starcloud Is Bringing Data Centers to Outer Space | NVIDIA Blog List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: yes, that's why "might" ;-) and according to starcloud's visualization, their solar panel (and heat dissipation on the other side) is huge. whether it is feasible or sustainable, another story -- J Pan, UVic CSc, ECS566, 250-472-5796 (NO VM), Pan@UVic.CA, Web.UVic.CA/~pa= n On Wed, Nov 19, 2025 at 8:42=E2=80=AFAM Gert Doering wrote= : > > hi, > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2025 at 08:09:48AM -0800, J Pan via Starlink wrote: > > not physical space, but energy harvesting and heat dissipating might > > be more favorable in space. space itself can generate enough data to > > be cranked there, instead of beaming down > > Physics suggest "heat dissipation is extremely hard in vacuum". > > Energy harvesting on the scales that these AI DCs need is also not > exactly trivial - under ideal conditions a square m will see something > like 1.3kW of influx energy. So for people talking about "gigawatts" > of DC power, you'd need a square kilometer of solar collector, with > good efficiency... > > Gert Doering > -- NetMaster > -- > have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? > > SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, > Karin Schuler, Sebastian Cler > Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann > D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) > Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279