From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=; dkim=fail; arc=none (Message is not ARC signed); dmarc=fail (Used From Domain Record) header.from=uvic.ca policy.dmarc=none Received: from mail-yw1-f169.google.com (mail-yw1-f169.google.com [209.85.128.169]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1652472A137 for ; Thu, 02 Oct 2025 06:35:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail-yw1-f169.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-71d71bcab69so7043037b3.0 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2025 21:35:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1759379702; x=1759984502; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=1mne8vXHAXRaga47XedhRJqpQzYTOseW4Eva/MsCBQg=; b=bFmnMEus5QOU6aBvJ3jF8L9+JmXj9XnlpKs5zV53EmPtQ4l/DwUCpjOPhbTQsQRK77 L8WJfu7mN1LdW5HTVz1RkRe1Hkrs59M1GjjHSxoxudKT+ajnZ2vQm5KfLBMc5ckgux33 ozUpDrVxYfFIJ4En9CjSIck3uTCRsl30QSSUT0CbGrQSDjHDHCO69/812U/RHcDYb7KV 5gp1pxglHGAt2ACkcxlkHr/1jv1n1LBtx+qNrmU0THofzu5sAwlWhnSJW0MgcNJW0f9C gNe+EsOOLkPCVMjY/hcpfVLfUInOJvj676A3xVCI2tdYN1qCZ5m/2N2FCkwcoPcDnByj JxEw== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCVdn+cqc53pR/QX6cUptv1zCPNjKVe04VlpSrC2LWjnSRfzwR38j915zQyoZLtrJNnW9LfIi2BVAA==@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzfFPPQTrrkFl8VN4URly+k1Gp1M+VBj3Sd3/jd0X7GujCaYaRh 8IRQ1YPRA0J9o86hJPfsVQo0NPT6TxhpZQWz4DJS2GANDJ4uEVatMrrgsZAliJyMN38shGhLMua nwUawltp0iYMfeiI0t9nBq9kPb3i9k24= X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncuqm1pOBLK4/4/B2LFxHmWOdsqbaOf5nwNA/X45t3wW6R6SxYRPwz/R5nO36UM BY31wZGes7fAmVb7JSLVvQs7DquT0Lc1G7j1/ZnBo12dahmTeOwq52rIGkH/jnOfR/9YOLxK0Ij /j5Sptu+2LwK0BUbwqF3uclC/cnGQmn2OAeUWPaN/6gfjAIGEou7e45ZOHaQFAGkSgJSPdAcB7p gwJ/cnPy3cAZYV67+JU3NhEXo19O0I= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGit++XpnxKrwNxuBqrhsZ/YiTlT8VnOmjvbcAJ/gN1WYuJXBPgZ1Wh+5uDrJrrOBvCMLJ/FWTq1R7SEYtvcLY= X-Received: by 2002:a53:dc83:0:b0:635:4ed0:5726 with SMTP id 956f58d0204a3-63b700b915fmr5458362d50.42.1759379702128; Wed, 01 Oct 2025 21:35:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <853161C6-6C99-47BF-B0BB-AA8D9BAD512F@gmail.com> <2518qp9p-1qrp-p185-1os8-qpo57s3s2n0q@ynat.uz> In-Reply-To: <2518qp9p-1qrp-p185-1os8-qpo57s3s2n0q@ynat.uz> From: J Pan Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2025 21:34:51 -0700 X-Gm-Features: AS18NWADgXwbSX7aQTE8UXKLgV7tlArwCQK7qzU2OkxMYv7fqYq3B8FJUZognP4 Message-ID: To: David Lang , Nathan Owens Cc: Spencer Sevilla , Dave Taht via Starlink , "Livingood, Jason" , Frantisek Borsik Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: OJ53XF5BMTXNHLIKKHVBMIM3IZ5LOGYV X-Message-ID-Hash: OJ53XF5BMTXNHLIKKHVBMIM3IZ5LOGYV X-MailFrom: panatuvicdotca@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; emergency; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Subject: [Starlink] Re: Lost in Space: The Limits of Geolocation in a Satellite-Connected World (new article from Geoff Huston) List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: the fault of the default https://web.archive.org/web/20160410172437/http://fusion.net/story/287592/i= nternet-mapping-glitch-kansas-farm/ a sad story all cs people shall read before code similarly at starlink, who is moving their error-prone dns domain pop.starlinkisp.net origin =3D dns31.cloudns.net mail addr =3D isp\.abuse.spacex.com serial =3D 2025061904 refresh =3D 7200 retry =3D 1800 expire =3D 1209600 minimum =3D 3600 to isp.starlink.com origin =3D ns1-35.azuregov-dns.us mail addr =3D azuredns-hostmaster.microsoft.com serial =3D 1 refresh =3D 3600 retry =3D 300 expire =3D 2419200 minimum =3D 300 but the serial (number) is obviously default. @Nathan Owens alerted already. hope it fixed -- J Pan, UVic CSc, ECS566, 250-472-5796 (NO VM), Pan@UVic.CA, Web.UVic.CA/~pa= n On Wed, Oct 1, 2025 at 4:05=E2=80=AFPM David Lang via Starlink wrote: > > Spencer Sevilla wrote: > > > I could certainly see some use for IP-based geolocation going forward, = less as > > a concrete primary source and more as a cross-check on other location-b= ased > > tools for e.g. security purposes. > > between VPNs and just incomplete data in the geoip databases, it's questi= onable > how useful this is as a security source (it's not worthless, but it's not= worth > a lot) see the poor farm in Kansas that gets all the attention from geoip= based > responses where only the country is known. > > David Lang > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list -- starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > To unsubscribe send an email to starlink-leave@lists.bufferbloat.net