From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=; dkim=fail; arc=none (Message is not ARC signed); dmarc=fail (Used From Domain Record) header.from=uvic.ca policy.dmarc=none Received: from mail-yx1-f46.google.com (mail-yx1-f46.google.com [74.125.224.46]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60264A7D98B for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2025 22:49:19 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail-yx1-f46.google.com with SMTP id 956f58d0204a3-644715aad1aso709687d50.0 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2025 13:49:18 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1765489757; x=1766094557; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-gg:x-gm-message-state:from :to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=qpWwRSp9+dL5JIrzHXvHsIDPo85c+fLbQbVFnV8Y5Lc=; b=n1W2GnFqhmGDEXHA0BE6btXOLPKq7R1pa01cLB3bOeJPVNWPSDTTzRovnYeaXWFrz4 bZmjJFeF0LuxfTm/LyKKHV7pmJE1JSRmb1wpuvQgFjgWAfx3ZtOBDKm7YnuRRqmnZrKP OmC/eKIIcNW4jX5t2nP/tPRH73Zsyi0VF9dBW9pzvcvBh/Mv+fpoMs5wmqKdwKgtUIR3 JaxC5OWRsGTlnoYDYI8uhWVgfmRvFJUHySA22f+J/tFr1aL20mxuJbFwbmBMR+23qdUD rCk443xMnwaLCvSvk6Ar0OEOmTAi83oMnAp2uLIAF7DQUBa9lJHZPLuM9KYsEerZimMX zjeA== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCUscfXIWfpwstVxJ969ImWLUzeJDGGsdUBaYZ97jsQ+vXKET77i53oZ8q6IiBLP5HWE4emDe0E18g==@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyeEqTR73cOw0lJiAXK/8gHcPWH5q2xkuOGkDj8xHU1C1DxTZmC 8BYCmNcYy28qp8eVa2zu8S/ffnCFeqEOFm8t2ANd8+8hRtY8pu4NpBsBWGoUxqGGKo2FpJw7h9i 4XahZh76JM/377840lCZsdoh9K6DkAjI= X-Gm-Gg: AY/fxX7zeZx5lKNV5MhyBfka9FLhFgFYNXvMAZKfRi2ZYCg3XpKPijVCZjqH6rEwhXh OeKr7YvuJGEgXz2ZXuYsocseVlV0F+kbFh3aSKd/XCHojfGX8MI4Gb66pKpeLUNbrcI2nw9hEtz Eu0NsY+AOGOdQQ0l/er/gWPVkD5sEwcaqUPyEVUTNlPczFM50Q6a596q+Gk7UVxJe/DSG6syKfB u8ha6kz40vF+QARKF0i2HidS7USSm7grVo1RA78NXeznz6ccn8tDvAID41gCU+lUn81GPS2N35D 6+mKEg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFjCcKk+rpH8s7HmraBJe4l04FzCELn098yUeLnxfTFP3sgBrn8kLxDyRw7bI8c6DjT4ohkGlCVoyR1X/B/ng0= X-Received: by 2002:a05:690e:b81:b0:645:535a:bfdb with SMTP id 956f58d0204a3-645535ac0c9mr1045189d50.27.1765489757522; Thu, 11 Dec 2025 13:49:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1966035A-DD6F-467E-8052-EEB9A12309EC@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <1966035A-DD6F-467E-8052-EEB9A12309EC@gmx.de> From: J Pan Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2025 13:49:06 -0800 X-Gm-Features: AQt7F2p8kI1oS_9gMHNiWdnV36zcbjLLUgsY0Hf7j5uVtYtTGIB_A0be5tJyDYc Message-ID: To: Sebastian Moeller Cc: Hesham ElBakoury , Hesham ElBakoury via Starlink , 5grm-satellite@ieee.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: MMDE2TRG7PA45VMPYLBIDPPQ3JEJJYPK X-Message-ID-Hash: MMDE2TRG7PA45VMPYLBIDPPQ3JEJJYPK X-MailFrom: panatuvicdotca@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; emergency; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Subject: [Starlink] Re: Nvidia-backed Starcloud trains first AI model in space as orbital data center race heats up List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: nothing wrong with the engineering (which is supposed to push the thing to the boundary, extend and make it at scale economically), and the hype may come from the press, which we have often seen for decades -- J Pan, UVic CSc, ECS566, 250-472-5796 (NO VM), Pan@UVic.CA, Web.UVic.CA/~pa= n On Thu, Dec 11, 2025 at 9:52=E2=80=AFAM Sebastian Moeller via Starlink wrote: > > But why? > > This is pure hype engineering. A single satellite with single nvidia car= d is now "data center"? > On the othef hand adding mord stellites and/or more nvidia cards would ad= d no discernable gain on what amounts to a publicity stunt... > > Which data really needs to be processed in orbit again? > > > > On December 11, 2025 6:29:15 PM GMT+01:00, Hesham ElBakoury via Starlink = wrote: > >https://www.cnbc.com/2025/12/10/nvidia-backed-starcloud-trains-first-ai-= model-in-space-orbital-data-centers.html?utm_campaign=3D18788462-Infra%20Da= ily&utm_medium=3Demail&_hsenc=3Dp2ANqtz-9OWFxtKYV65Vy5_40reX-_65O0fJJgyoUcx= wC45XCu3MYPsnA-FgxBfousFsuqt9olXi74KGRHzn6OCtGRNgI8hbBWIQ&_hsmi=3D394023295= &utm_content=3D394023295&utm_source=3Dhs_email > >_______________________________________________ > >Starlink mailing list -- starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > >To unsubscribe send an email to starlink-leave@lists.bufferbloat.net > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list -- starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > To unsubscribe send an email to starlink-leave@lists.bufferbloat.net